I. Rex wrote:
Dress code shmesh code. Every last member of the womens team runs in bikini shorts and high cut navel friendly tank tops. How are the dress code enforcers okay with that if they arent even allowed to wear moderate dresses and earrings on campus?
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Seems like much ado about nothing.
malmo wrote:
Ezrun wrote:
Use the word Draconian (or lowercase draconian) to describe laws or rules that are really harsh and repressive. In ancient Athens, Draco was a guy who made some seriously strict laws. So rules that are too restrictive — or just plain unfair — are called Draconian.
Seems like you don't know the meaning! Saying you can't be sleeveless and wear a tank top, or have lots of ear piercings, or be barefoot on grass, is clearly overly restrictive by all normal societal standards
Yeah it's true that it's People's Choice to go there and they can leave, but it clearly fits the label of draconian
Dress codes do not meet the definitive criteria of "excessively harsh, severe or cruel." You need to learn how to use a dictionary.
MidFootStriker wrote:
runnER/DR wrote:
I. Rex wrote:
Dress code shmesh code. Every last member of the womens team runs in bikini shorts and high cut navel friendly tank tops. How are the dress code enforcers okay with that if they arent even allowed to wear moderate dresses and earrings on campus?
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Seems like much ado about nothing.
Are you kidding me? I went to BYU. I was born and raised in Provo. Regular students break the dress code ALL THE TIME. The only place the dress code has even been enforced is the testing center and intramural sports. Off campus people wear clothes that violate the honor code all the time.
Everyone is an expert in 2021.
Yeah but seriously why would you want to deal with that if you don't have to? I mean the fact that they have dress codes and morality police and encourage students to turn each other in. That's kind of weird
Now maybe the positives outweigh the negatives for a lot of people. And at the end of the day everyone has to live their life as long as it's a free choice and no one's forced to be there
Let's face it 99% of people are there because they're Mormons
I actually think it's cool that they're anti-drugs because drugs and alcohol and even caffeine cause a lot of harm for a lot of people and there's no upside
So I guess if you're a conservative person and you're willing to take the negatives or think that they're not a big deal or don't sort of go against some ingrained sense of the way things should be. Yeah anyway I mean everyone's got to figure out for themselves but the whole idea of a morality police is a little draconian
FastTuohy wrote:
Not going away wrote:
CrispyChicken wrote:
rare East recruit wrote:
YSA wrote:
Women have it tough as the dress code is draconian and they are not afraid to shame you for skirts or shorts being too short.
I would not describe this as "draconian."
Dress and Grooming Standards
The dress and grooming of both men and women should always be modest, neat, and clean, consistent with the dignity adherent to representing The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and any of its institutions of higher education.
Modesty and cleanliness are important values that reflect personal dignity and integrity, through which students, staff, and faculty represent the principles and standards of the Church. Members of the BYU community commit themselves to observe the following standards, which reflect the direction of the Board of Trustees and the Church publication For the Strength of Youth. The Dress and Grooming Standards are as follows:
Men
A clean and well-cared-for appearance should be maintained. Clothing is inappropriate when it is sleeveless, revealing, or form fitting. Shorts must be knee-length or longer. Hairstyles should be clean and neat, avoiding extreme styles or colors, and trimmed above the collar, leaving the ear uncovered. Sideburns should not extend below the earlobe or onto the cheek. If worn, moustaches should be neatly trimmed and may not extend beyond or below the corners of the mouth. Men are expected to be clean-shaven; beards are not acceptable. Earrings and other body piercing are not acceptable. Shoes should be worn in all public campus areas.
Women
A clean and well-cared-for appearance should be maintained. Clothing is inappropriate when it is sleeveless, strapless, backless, or revealing; has slits above the knee; or is form fitting. Dresses, skirts, and shorts must be knee-length or longer. Hairstyles should be clean and neat, avoiding extremes in styles or colors. Excessive ear piercing (more than one per ear) and all other body piercing are not acceptable. Shoes should be worn in all public campus areas.
Wow, sounds similar to those draconian dress codes at those federal government run schools in Colorado, Connecticut, New York, and Maryland. What's the difference between having high standards/expectations and being draconian?
Really? So those schools require dresses, skirts and shorts to all be knee-length or longer? These schools don't allow more than 1 ear piercing? Not even a simple double pierce, which is extremely common? No, these are not normal dress codes, especially not for college. Unless you are Mormon BYU will be a very restrictive environment. To say otherwise makes it clear you don't know much about BYU.
I am just wondering. Take away running, and is this a school she would even consider?
If you are LDS then the lifestyle is no different then the one you have been living so no big deal. Noone goes to BYU without the willingness to live by its rules.
It’s truly bizarre to me that anyone not Mormon would go there.
bambam wrote:
It’s truly bizarre to me that anyone not Mormon would go there.
+1
Was just about to write the same. Why would you? Seems completely bizarre to me.
It's a church school! if you don't agree with the standards then don't go there. No one is forcing you to go there. BYU gets enough applicants. If you don't like the rules you are not going to get in. I can almost guarantee that the students at the school do not feel oppressed. It is mostly populated by church members because they already live these standards.
Most Americans have no self discipline nor moral standards. They hate people who do.
Back to Hutchins. Remember her? It was a thread about Jenna.
It was an unexpected choice. Sounds like she made a strong connection to Taylor. If she has designs on going pro; Oregon, Stanford, Colorado, Arkansas and a host of other schools have a longer list of females that have gone pro after school.
Does anyone know of any recent BYU female distance runners that have gone pro? (A serious question, not being snarky).
Yeah, if you aren't Mormon it seems like an odd choice. I get the team is good, but that is a huge lifestyle tradeoff if if you don't align with the school's religious views.
Maybe 10-15 years ago I went through Provo on a Sunday on a roundtrip and it was bizarre. I tried to find a place to grab lunch, and literally nothing was open. Not even McDonalds. I had to hop back on the freeway and drive a few exits down to Orem to find an IHOP that was open.
What YSA said
Interesting Choice wrote:
Yeah, if you aren't Mormon it seems like an odd choice. I get the team is good, but that is a huge lifestyle tradeoff if if you don't align with the school's religious views.
Maybe 10-15 years ago I went through Provo on a Sunday on a roundtrip and it was bizarre. I tried to find a place to grab lunch, and literally nothing was open. Not even McDonalds. I had to hop back on the freeway and drive a few exits down to Orem to find an IHOP that was open.
blamb61 wrote:
Interesting Choice wrote:
Yeah, if you aren't Mormon it seems like an odd choice. I get the team is good, but that is a huge lifestyle tradeoff if if you don't align with the school's religious views.
Maybe 10-15 years ago I went through Provo on a Sunday on a roundtrip and it was bizarre. I tried to find a place to grab lunch, and literally nothing was open. Not even McDonalds. I had to hop back on the freeway and drive a few exits down to Orem to find an IHOP that was open.
You don't have to align with religious views to go there (doctrine and such). You do need to align with standards of conduct though which are compatable with many religions. Those standards are actually an attraction to like minded folks. If you don't want to keep those standards, you should not go there. I was glad to attend there and appreciated those standards.
YSA wrote:
blamb61 wrote:
Interesting Choice wrote:
Yeah, if you aren't Mormon it seems like an odd choice. I get the team is good, but that is a huge lifestyle tradeoff if if you don't align with the school's religious views.
Maybe 10-15 years ago I went through Provo on a Sunday on a roundtrip and it was bizarre. I tried to find a place to grab lunch, and literally nothing was open. Not even McDonalds. I had to hop back on the freeway and drive a few exits down to Orem to find an IHOP that was open.
You don't have to align with religious views to go there (doctrine and such). You do need to align with standards of conduct though which are compatable with many religions. Those standards are actually an attraction to like minded folks. If you don't want to keep those standards, you should not go there. I was glad to attend there and appreciated those standards.
I remember you !
Weren't you in the Rex Lee Library kissing the guy who sold trinkets ?
Opinionated guy wrote:It also said that their famous BYU football quarterbacks (Wilson, Young, Detmer, McMahon) did NOT serve missions. This all leads me to believe a mission is optional and that this young woman will not have to serve a two year mission unless she chooses to do so.
I'm not sure of Jenna's religious affiliation. I would personally not choose to go to BYU since I'm not a Mormon.
I totally get Coach Taylor's appeal. It's true that not to many BYU runners have gone pro (to the poster above) but she hasn't been there that long. Many of these ladies have the times to get pro contracts when they graduate. They certainly will.
I'm also interested in her choice to graduate early and move to Florida? To train with a health and wellness coach? Idk. She lost a year of high school, why lose more?
If she's Catholic, I applaud her for steering clear of Notre Dame, which is anti-Catholic thanks to "the late Father Ted".
BYU has become a strange combination of liberal wokeness and book of Mormon doctrine. The coaches, athletes, and support staff, however, are as good as you'll find anywhere. Coach Eyestone is an accomplished thespian, crooner, musician, and standup comedian. Who wouldn't want a head coach like that? The transfer portal is always available if the BOM classes bring her down.
She'll get off to a great start.
She’s not Mormon ?
And she plans to graduate HS early in December and move to Florida to train with Julie Stackhouse before heading to BYU.
