Nikki Hiltz comes out as transgender/non-binary

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Also just realized that you called me sir. Are you joking, or is this yet another instance of assuming that the default human being is male?

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Honestly, I know a lot of nonbinary people, and I don't feel triggered by them. My issue is that this way of thinking about gender actually promotes gender stereotypes instead of freeing people from them. When gender nonconforming people identify as nonbinary, they also inadvertently suggest that those left behind in the category they abandoned (now often called cis) are somehow perfectly content with the gender stereotypes imposed upon them.

However, I'd probably identify as one of these neo-genders if I were younger. I don't think the people who do this are sinister. I do think the ideas behind this movement are sinister and that the prevalence of nonbinary identity among girls and women is evidence of misogyny in our culture.

terf wrote:

hemorrhoid wrote:

This is one of the worst takes of all time. You don't choose to be transgender. It's not a lifestyle or trend or fad. It's who you are.

This is one of the funniest takes of all time.

I have no problem with anyone's sexual identity or persuasion. However I don't see the point in letting everyone know through your 500 social media accounts. I have sex with my wife. Should I let everyone know that I like girls?

Just like the best way to tell if someone does CrossFit is that they will tell you 500x by their social media accounts.

She sometimes feels like a boy sometimes feels like a girl? I am assuming she likes girls? Cool! So do I!

Alan

it means there's more than two genders and sometimes the person doesn't feel they identify as either one

jgxdkgkcufk wrote:

So how does it work? Some days she will run in the men category and other days in the women category depending on how she feels that day?

I am not joking here, it’s a serious question.

It works like this:

Non-Olympic or non-WC year: Male

Olympic/WC year: Female

Good for Nikki.

Best to live as your genuine self.

And good on her to let others who feel alone who are in similar circumstances that it is okay to live a genuine life also.

Sports are a different matter. Nikki would fit in the restricted division what we nomrally the women's division but we should call it the division with restrictions. Nikki fits that division unless they start to taking PEs substances.

All seems one big catch-22 to me... I don't see how someone born female can unequivocally know and understand exactly what it is like to be male, and identify as such - this is through no fault of their own; how can they know and understand this feeling fully, without being born in a male body?

I can think I might understand what it is like to be a women - but how can I ever really know? The internal feelings? The interaction between mind and biological body? I can't. I'm physically not capable - because even if we accept that I could make a mental decision; the biological component is still missing. A human being is mind+body, and neither element can be disregarded.

It seems that what trans people are identifying with, is instead the social stereotype of that other gender - boys tend to be like this, girls tend to be like that etc.... Which doesn't allow for the 'body' component; and in many ways actually seems to support the idea that men/women stereotypes should exist - seeing as these are being used as the basis for the chosen identity in the first place

If you extrapolate this over time, and come to a position where we decide gender as a concept doesn't exist; then doesnt the conversation become null and void by definition? Since if there are no genders, then being transgender cesses to be possible

Who cares and why is this important to know? I have no idea why I need to know someone's sexual preference.

It's an interesting subject and something I'd like to understand to a greater degree. I do think people should be free to choose how they would like to be referred to etc., but I find it difficult to understand what I perceive as some 'holes' in the arguments around gender

The sporting perspective seems much more clear cut too me; and I think in that theater the conclusions need to be solely based on science and avoidance of unfair advantage

Socially, I've got to wonder how much this stuff really matters. But again - who am I to say, having not had direct experience of a gender disparity myself

TLWutt wrote:

Who cares and why is this important to know? I have no idea why I need to know someone's sexual preference.

Because I want to tell you!!! I am free!!!

I want to thank everyone for their support in my choosing a heterosexual lifestyle!

Alan

TLWutt wrote:

Who cares and why is this important to know? I have no idea why I need to know someone's sexual preference.

I guarantee that no one has ever made a coming out announcement for the benefit of TLWutt. We’re talking about an Instagram post from someone whom you I assume you do not follow.

It’s not as if they came to your house and said, “Hi, TLWutt, I know you didn’t ask, but I’m non-binary.”

The message went out to people who clicked “follow” on an app. People CHOSE to be informed about this person’s life.

I don’t follow rojo on Instagram, but if he made a post about what he had for dinner, and I found out about it, I wouldn’t react with, “Why does rojo think I, Lenny Leonard, care what he had for dinner?!?!?!” Because that is something a dumb person would do.

I'm on a running website. Why is someone's sexual preference even a topic of discussion?

The thing is you don't have to announce you're straight. It's assumed. Through kindergarten, Through middle school. Through high school. Through college. Through all of the TV programmes. I know I didn't see a gay person on screen until... IDK, I was maybe 20 and at university. I'd watched TV every day before then (I know things are very different now, I'm talking about how it was back then). If you go to a running club, you don't have to come out. If you have a physio appointment, you don't have to either 1. change your conversation as you can't talk about your ex because it's someone who is the same sex as you 2. leave it out completely/have a stilted conversation 3. choose to come out to her and a lot of people are still not comfortable with that. You never know how people will react.

When you come across this situation day after day after day - you don't realise how many times it crops up. You can't walk down the street holding someone's hand. You go on holiday and what do you do about the rooms? You have to tell your family. You spent the entirety of high school with conversations about boys for hours every day when you had to pretend. I know things are a bit different now in this regard. It is wearing and it is near constant and it is every day. So I do understand why, in this day and age, someone decides to 'come out' all in one go, rather than explain each time and to everyone individually. Would I put it on social media? Well I don't have social media, but NO, I would not. But I can understand why someone does.

Runningart2004 wrote:

terf wrote:

This is one of the funniest takes of all time.

I have no problem with anyone's sexual identity or persuasion. However I don't see the point in letting everyone know through your 500 social media accounts. I have sex with my wife. Should I let everyone know that I like girls?

Just like the best way to tell if someone does CrossFit is that they will tell you 500x by their social media accounts.

She sometimes feels like a boy sometimes feels like a girl? I am assuming she likes girls? Cool! So do I!

Alan

Alan, actually I think this is a problem with social media in general. The level of detail is just astounding. People post all day, every day, all kinds of stuff. Like the other poster said - pictures of what you had for dinner. WTF!? I know I'm probably out of touch as I just don't follow any of this stuff, so maybe I have a different take on it from other people. I just know what I see in my everyday life, and sometimes what is on the news.

I guess I wasn’t clear. My post really wasn’t about whether she is trans, gay or straight. She is what she is and nobody else but her should care. It was the waking up everyday not sure what she was going to feel like. Seems strange to me from a psychology perspective. But what we know most about science of the human body is that we know nothing.

wammy, he was awesome! wrote:

So I do understand why, in this day and age, someone decides to 'come out' all in one go, rather than explain each time and to everyone individually.

This is literally the most accepting time in our history for people's sexual preferences. I do not care what you identify with or what you enjoy. It's your preference. People are just sick of hearing about it.

I suspected this before she came out. She's a class act.

Well, that's your experience but not mine. I haven't posted anything on social media, or 'told' anyone, or come out like that, and neither has anyone else I know in this situation. I do know one person who is trans and I don't think he ever'came out' and definitely would not have posted anything online due to his job. It just isn't done like that. But with celebrities maybe it's different. I suppose I am talking about my world and you are talking about yours and that's all we can talk about as it's what we know. I can understand why she did it like that because she is in the public eye, rather than say to one journalist, then another. I agree with you because I personally would not use social media, I don't get all of this stuff about posting what you eat! I don't 'hear' about any of this on a daily basis at all. No one is sick of hearing that people are straight, but here anyway, it is in every advert. every magazine, every newspaper, every news article. I know there are programmes about it like The Bachelor and Love Island but it doesn't appear a 'straight' issue there or people 'talking about it' because it is the default. Whereas if, for example, they did a 'trans' Love Island it would be viewed as a trans thing.

It sounds like your problem is with the media rather than with people, unless someone has come up to you in your daily life and said "I'm trans!" You are sick of hearing about it because it's in social media, the press, and online, rather than instances in your actual day-to-day life? I haven't encountered anything like this in day-to-day life. Well, we can only speak from our own experiences anyway.

I actually think we probably have very similar views on social media.

wammy, he was awesome! wrote:

It sounds like your problem is with the media rather than with people, unless someone has come up to you in your daily life and said "I'm trans!" You are sick of hearing about it because it's in social media, the press, and online, rather than instances in your actual day-to-day life? I haven't encountered anything like this in day-to-day life. Well, we can only speak from our own experiences anyway.

I actually think we probably have very similar views on social media.

I agree - no issue with the people at all or their preferences. The social media is the problem and the media pushing the issue that sexual preference or gender is important for others to know.