Grant Fisher will have American 5000m record by end of year

If he gets in the right race. He would have easily been under 13 tonight if better pacing.

Fisher is amazing

Look 13:02 is great for him and his last 400 was fantastic, but the way I see it the odds of him not breaking 13:00 this year are greater than him breaking the American record.

Despite his time tonight, he's currently a LONG way off from 12:53 in a legit race (and even in a time trial like this). People need to remember that Americans often run way faster in these type of races than they do in Europe. This reminded me of Ben True's 13:02 in 2014.

To run 12:53, you have to be willing to hurt early. You can't run 13:14 pace (Fisher's halfway split) and then kick it in.

Again, I was very impressed by his last lap. It was great. But the rest of the race i was just shocked at how slow the pace was as I was focused on Scott and figured if he was going to skip Euros he's at least go for sub-13.

Fisher ran 413, then 413.5 for his first 2 3200s. He was 7:55 at 3k. 13:00 pace s 7:48 (When True ran his 13;02, he was 411 and 8;23).

Now could he eventually do it in the super shoes? Yes. I mean he's one of the greatest talents we've ever had in the US.

He must have been able to run at least 12:58 today, maybe faster. His stride looks a little funky at "slower" paces, but as soon as he opens up he just eats up ground. Even running 13:08 pace he looks uncomfortably slow.

I did not think he would be this good really at any point in his career. Very happy to be wrong because he's fun to watch. If everyone stays healthy, the men's 5k at the trials will be a banger.

rojo wrote:

Fisher ran 413, then 413.5 for his first 2 3200s.

Now that would take some “super shoes.”

Fisher looked great. His speed is that long hard drive 600m out. He doesn’t have that 200m burst of speed. I do think he can be top 7 worldwide on the 10k at the Olympics and top 10 in the 5000m. I really want to see how he does in a tactical race that goes out in 70s then someone goes 59 in the middle then someone runs 3:55 last 1600m. We may see a lot of different tactical stuff at the trials. We see he can run fast now let’s see him do tactical racing

This is it. Not sure he's going to run faster than this unless he gets on a Cheptegei train.

Jabller33, You lost all credibility with your pre-race analysis.

John Wesley Harding wrote:

JBaller33 wrote:

This is it. Not sure he's going to run faster than this unless he gets on a Cheptegei train.

You lost all credibility with your pre-race analysis.

You weren't right either, big time. Fact is, everybody got it wrong.

Rojo is actually making sense here. The Fisher King is charged by God with finding the Holy Grail. It is not clear that this Fisher King is up to the task. Greats such as Solinsky, Rupp, Kennedy, Tegenkamp, Ritz, Maree, Aouita, Rono....none of them ran 12:53. The super shoes better be super if this Fisher Prince is to inherit the throne.

My predictions:

1. Marc Scott 13:00

2. Grant Fisher 13:02

3. Sean McGorty 13:04

Jballer33 predictions:

1. Oliver Hoare 13:18

2. Grant Fisher

3. Woody Kincaid

Reality:

1. Grant Fisher 13:02

2. Marc Scott 13:05

3. Sean McGorty 13:06

...

7. Oliver Hoare 13:22

Woody Kincaid DNF (pacer)

The Americans are running great, but the questions is: are they closing the gap to the East Africans or is everyone running faster due to better shoes (both track and road)????

I'd put Grant at 12:55 in Europe this year if he got in the race. But odds are he won't. Jerry will shut him down until the Trials and then skip the Diamond League until the Olympics.

Oslo, 2010 with super shoes. This is why you race in Europe. No American is running 12:53 in US soil even with super shoes.

1. Imane MERGA ETH 88 12:53.81

2. Tariku BEKELE ETH 87 12:53.97

3. Bernard LAGAT USA 74 12:54.12

4. Lucas Kimeli ROTICH KEN 90 12:55.06

5. Vincent Kiprop CHEPKOK KEN 88 12:56.32

6. Chris SOLINSKY USA 84 12:56.66

7. Alemayehu BEZABEH ESP 86 12:57.25

8. Mathew Kipkoech KISORIO KEN 89 12:57.83

9. Bekana DABA ETH 88 12:58.51

10. Leonard Patrick KOMON KEN 88 12:59.15

11. Saif Saaeed SHAHEEN QAT 82 13:00.31

12. Edwin Cheruiyot SOI KEN 86 13:07.70

*Oslo 2010 without super shoes

You were 100% incorrect. Most of us were about 90% correct. I can't believe that you are so clueless that you don't realize how bad your predictions were. You were as far off as if somebody predicted 3 guys would run 12:49. Do you think they would have and credibility today?

Not “everybody got it wrong” JBaller33.

Many knew Fisher, Scott, McGorty, and Klecker had the ability to run the times we witnessed last night.

For me, your dogmatic tone that there was no way they were going to run under 13:20 and the negativity that came along with that - is what rubbed people wrong.

These guys are training hard and smart. They are sacrificing the liberties many of us take for granted to be there very best. They are the ones lining up to race. It should be all of those that love track and field pleasure to watch, hope for, support, and cheer these athletes on.

1500MeterLoser wrote:

If he gets in the right race. He would have easily been under 13 tonight if better pacing.

Think of what the goal was... first priority was Olympic standard 13:13.5. I wouldn’t say easily under 13:00. Grant was 8:57 high with 1600m to go so he ran 4:04 high last 4 laps. More importantly I like the way he raced. Got aggressive with 700m to go that is his strength. Better for him not to leave it to 200m to go. He doesn’t have miler/800m top end change your pace on the drop of a dime speed like Nick Willis had in his prime. His best move is moving into a long sustained drive 600m out

What people have to realize is Grant has plenty of time. He had been a professional less than 18 months. He is still more than a month away from being 24. His peak is probably 4 years away. This is my prediction barring injury “someday” times. 12:50 to 12:53/ 26:35 to 26:45 are my predictions. It may never happen but everyone quit rushing things