The Me Too Movement Has Gotten ABSURD

25 allegations for your boy wrote:

Hedjd wrote:

I am glad he lost you moron! He is a terrible human being. Just lousy.

Dry your eyes Trump fan boy.

Very difficult to extract the stupid out of you without it being fatal.

Hedjd wrote:

OK I admit I am left of center politically and therefore am a bit biased in favor of someone like Al Franken or Andrew Cuomo BUT why should Franken have resigned and why should Cuomo resign? What did Cuomo do that was so awful? It seems to me the worst thing he has done is maybe he is being a bit deceptive about being a bit creepy around younger women. Is this really so bad? Maybe I am wrong but one gets to the point where one is labeled something and there are no gradations of transgressions. Certainly it seems Bill Clinton, JFK and the like could never have survived in office today.

It's bad if he is their boss (which he was / is). Same reason why the Paula Jones thing was relevant during Clinton's tenure. It is inappropriate for an employer to make unwonted sexual overtures towards their employees. Why were Democrats grand standing during the Kavanaugh hearings about an alleged incident (that was essentially nothing) by him as a high school student? If you were to go through Cuomo's childhood in a similar fashion, you would likely discover far worse. Guy fits right in with the Kennedy clan he married into and divorced his way out of. I hope they throw him out by his nipple rings.

The main point of #metoo was to empower the victims of sexual harassment to be able to tell their stories without fear of reprisals. That goal has not really been accomplished. Tara Reade and Christine Blasey Ford were put through the ringer in a way that would send a clear message to anyone who needed to speak out about sexual harassment by someone in a powerful political position.

As for what happens after an allegation is made, #metoo has been pretty lost. Al Franken lost a senate seat but Cuomo is fighting back. Sen. Gillibrand ran Franken out of the Senate but has been very cautious on the Cuomo allegations. There have been many examples of very powerful people taking a well deserved fall as a result of #metoo, but many of them are independently wealthy and have just retired or moved on to other pursuits outside of the public eye.

Also, I would like to share this, I think it will make you understand what I mean by “the title of your Thread is wrong”

In the late 80s and early 90s I worked in restaurants, bars and disco clubs as a server and a bar tender. In one of the job at the disco club, the owner took me by the hand and brought me on the dance floor to dance with him(latino style), he was rubbing against me and he was hard. I pulled away from him, looked in his eyes and said “ if you want me to keep working for you, you have to stop right now.” He smiled and said there was no problem at all, he walked me back to the bar where I finished the night.

I was let go before the next weekend.

When I spoke about it to people, they all said “it’s not that bad, he didn’t rape you! That’s just how it is”

So for the next few years I worked in different establishments and I put up with it(custommers,coworkers,owners) by avoiding being too close to people as much as I could, deflecting the touching hands, laughing stupidly and awkwardly at the jokes(they were not jokes)....

Back then that is what was normalized. It was ok, it was to be expected and accepted.

Now in 2021, the time has come to normalize the opposite. It should not be a problem to anyone right? Unless one is benefitting from the lack of boundaries.

Does that make things a bit clearer?

Well the women or victims who feel they have been mistreated should be able to air their grievances for sure. However, the consequences seem to often be whatever the office holder wants them to be. He doesn’t resign or he does resign. Sometimes over relatively trivial offenses they resign. I suppose part of the issue here is what is the behavior which crosses the line? So many of the Republicans are outspoken about cancel culture but they probably want to cancel Cuomo or Franken. And we Democrats probably want to cancel the other side’s politicians also. It just seems that there is a lot of ambiguity still.

You’re absolutely right Hedjd, it is 26 allegations and not 25 allegation against Donald Trump.

https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12

My apologies, mistake noted ?

Well that is really too bad that this happened to you. It is good that you feel it is more acceptable for a woman to air her grievances and tell her story now. What is less clear is let us say that you shared that story but it involved a prominent politician and it was 30 years ago that it happened. A woman could make it up of course BUT let us say 99 pct of the allegations are true. What happens next? Is that person expected to apologize to you and resign? Your story seems like a clear cut case of sexual harassment and then you were wrongfully terminated. Has Cuomo done that? Maybe so.

Hedjd wrote:

[quote]docLorna wrote:

Well that is really too bad that this happened to you. It is good that you feel it is more acceptable for a woman to air her grievances and tell her story now. What is less clear is let us say that you shared that story but it involved a prominent politician and it was 30 years ago that it happened. A woman could make it up of course BUT let us say 99 pct of the allegations are true. What happens next? Is that person expected to apologize to you and resign? Your story seems like a clear cut case of sexual harassment and then you were wrongfully terminated. Has Cuomo done that? Maybe so.

Yes I believe the “prominent politician” should first, own what he did wrong and admit to it, second, apologize and actively seek education on the subject and thirdly, if he’s still in a position of authority/power should resign until his actions can prove that he is no longer a threat.

Kinda sorta...?

And yes, any and every time a boss brings up their or your sexuality a work it is unacceptable. It is sexual intimidation. It may seem inoffensive when you’re a man but when you’re a woman, it makes the ground very shifty under your feet.

People have used positions of power for centuries to behave inappropriately toward their subordinates. We can all agree this is wrong. We can all agree changes need to be made.

The MeToo movement has done an excellent job highlighting just how common these cases of inappropriate flirting, harassment, and abuse are.

It is also true that there are degrees of severity to every transgression. There are going to be gray areas of consent and comfort in modern dating. See: Aziz Ansari's incident.

There are also degrees of responses. For every rare case of someone being OVERLY punished by the court of public opinion there are countless cases of someone's story being quietly swept under the rug or them losing their job or etc. On the balance, I think MeToo has been overwhelmingly positive in holding powerful people accountable for behavior that we all know is wrong.

However, I feel the line is much more clear for cases between a superior and subordinate. If you're the governor you have an obligation to a LOT of people to not abuse your power. If you can't handle that, take a less prominent job.

OK but a politician cannot resign until he can prove his actions are no longer a threat. Once he resigns he resigns AND he can NEVER prove his actions are no longer a threat. That is not possible. Otherwise I can agree with you.

Yes this is true but I guess people who want to be politicians are typically flawed and unfortunately people who don’t want to be politicians are too and then one wonders who will fill those jobs. This does not deny your points but as they say power corrupts. I wish it were not so.

Yes, yesssss. ☝️+1

Where is the line between sexual harassment and flirting?

Should sexual jokes be allowed in the workplace?

Alan

Hedjd wrote:

Yes this is true but I guess people who want to be politicians are typically flawed and unfortunately people who don’t want to be politicians are too and then one wonders who will fill those jobs. This does not deny your points but as they say power corrupts. I wish it were not so.

I am very open to strategies for increasing the appeal of public service to capable people so we don't have to make such compromises.

Runningart2004 wrote:

Where is the line between sexual harassment and flirting?

Should sexual jokes be allowed in the workplace?

Alan

I think it's okay if females tell the jokes. The others are very blurred lines...

Runningart2004 wrote:

Where is the line between sexual harassment and flirting?

Should sexual jokes be allowed in the workplace?

Alan

There is a big distance between sexual harassment and flirting. Most places define harassment as repeated instances of unwanted behavior or particularly egregious single breaches of appropriateness.

Every workplace is different. I think we have (thankfully) come a long way from allowing the loudest and brashest in the office to set the tone of appropriate behavior (obviously still a work in progress).

If you want to make crude jokes to your co-workers, you should be sure you know them very well. That is just good life advice in general.

[quote]Hedjd wrote:

OK I admit I am left of center politically and therefore am a bit biased in favor of someone like Al Franken or Andrew Cuomo BUT why should Franken have resigned and why should Cuomo resign? What did Cuomo do that was so awful?

Really? Did you see that photo of Franken? He should resign the human race. What a creep. And Cuomo is no better.

Hedjd wrote:

BOHICA wrote:

Furthermore, you can be both liberal and misogynistic. It's not a binary situation.

Of course. However intelligence matters and so far none of you have offered any.

1. So says the dildo posting this whine on a running forum.

2. Who has proven unworthy.

BOHICA wrote:

Hedjd wrote:

Of course. However intelligence matters and so far none of you have offered any.

1. So says the dildo posting this whine on a running forum.

2. Who has proven unworthy.

More nonsense from a dullard. Can you not address the topic?