Whatley wrote:
Half a million Americans have died because of the virus, there are 350 million of us. The odds just aren't that frightful, and a well conditioned athlete like Yohan Blake, I wouldn't worry either.
Yes I got the shot but only becaue the wie bugged me about it.
How many people died from the vaccine?
It has killed several healthy people while the virus killed no healthy people. Obese and sickly people should get vaccinated. Healthy people should stay away from the vaccine.
Precious Roy wrote:
Black distrust of government and medicine is very well founded and based in experiences ranging from the Tuskegee syphilis experiment to recent studies showing that infant mortality is three times higher when there is a white doctor treating black mothers.
But COVID 19 has had a grossly disproportionate impact on black people both in terms of deaths/illness and economic impact. If you are going to speak out against a vaccine that offers protection for black people and a chance to restart the economy and get a lot of black people back to work, you better come up with something other than "I have my reasons".
If the sole basis for your decision is the legacy of discrimination and abuse against black people by government and the medical community, then that is a fair point to make and the government and medical community are obligated to address it. But if you have a platform like Johan Blake does, you need to be responsible and understand that speaking out against the vaccine may cause black people to avoid taking it and end up dead or seriously ill as a result. The "I have my reasons" justification is a complete cop out that plays into an irrational paranoia in the black community that only serves to harm black people and does nothing to right the wrongs of discrimination. It just perpetuates the notion of the black community as being infinitely the victim of white oppression and having the only recourse to throw sand in the gears of society.
Are you serious... All people should distrust the government. Just look at the polio vaccine when it first was delivered. They didn't have adequate controls, and it actually gave children polio....Yes our government did that...This happens all throughout history. Even the early Covid tests were found to have live virus on them and likely spread the virus across the country. (Google it. Major Media buried their articles about this, but they are still out there)
ukathleticscoach wrote:
fisky wrote:
I don't know why Blake is refusing to take the vaccine, but that should be his choice. It may be that it becomes mandatory for Olympians so that might change his stance.
The problem I have is that most people aren't making an informed decision.
For example, how many readers would take a vaccine that had NOT been approved by the FDA?
Very few, right?
Well, that's what you're doing if you take the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine. They have NOT been approved by the FDA. They have instead been given EUA status... Emergency Use Authorization.
There are many unanswered questions about these vaccines.
What are the long-term (two-year) effects?
What are the long term effects on the immune system? On fertility? On how it affects other illnesses?
How long will it last?
Will the mRNA vaccine have any unforeseen effects?
What will happen when people inevitably follow an mRNA vaccine this year with a traditional viral-vectored vaccine next year?
Everyone taking these vaccines are guinea pigs to test the long-term results. That's completely okay as long as you understand going into it that you're a guinea pig. So far the vaccine appears to be a reasonably good bet.
How is part of a dead virus going to affect your fertility. It triggers the immune system to prepare for the virus.
When has s vaccine ever caused any problem outside of an allergic reaction?
Anyway carry on ignoring the top scientists and instead follow the most ignorant people who come from 3rd world countries.
One of my core beliefs is "knowledge is power." The fact is we don't know for sure if the vaccine affects fertility and we won't know for many months. It does appear to affect cells in the placenta, which is why some doctors are concerned. There have been 160 reported cases of miscarriage/premature birth after taking the vaccine.
As far as problems beyond an allergic reaction, over 1095 deaths have occurred in the days following the vaccination. About a third occurred within 48 hours. Overwhelmingly, the deaths were in the USA. To be fair, the number of deaths after the vaccine are far less than the number of deaths due to COVID, which is currently around 3,000 PER DAY in the US using the 7-day moving average. (1,283 on March 1 so the number is coming down rapidly.)
Other than (I assume) death reports, there is no formal reporting structure for VAERS. Most people have probably never heard of it so it's likely that a lot of side effects are going unreported.
Now, this doesn't mean that I'm against the vaccine. I'm saying that it is not as safe as government and public health officials are telling us. Thankfully, we have millions of people taking the vaccines so we should know the long-term effects in a year or so.
He won't be missed.
There's a very real possibility that proof of vaccination will be required for international travel. Perhaps a "vaccine passport" will be needed as well. Not sure how they will implement this and eliminate fraudulent vaccine passports but it is a real possibility.
Stu...Stu Padaso wrote:
Are you serious... All people should distrust the government. Just look at the polio vaccine when it first was delivered. They didn't have adequate controls, and it actually gave children polio....Yes our government did that...This happens all throughout history. Even the early Covid tests were found to have live virus on them and likely spread the virus across the country. (Google it. Major Media buried their articles about this, but they are still out there)
It's interesting that someone with such supposed brain power and personal liberty would restrict their mental and emotional wellbeing to the idea that Big Government is a great enemy. What a way to live your life, in constant fear and distrust of a mechanism of our own species - a manifestation of our best intentions.
And do you really base your vaccine knowledge on something that happened 70 years ago, associated with two producers of an otherwise massively successful vaccine? You have no reasoning or critical thinking skills to deduct that medical technology and knowledge has expanded 100-fold in the decades since?
Should I avoid buying a Ford because the Pinto was deemed to 27 deaths between 1970-77?
You seem like a small-minded person who gets hung up on the small reasons not to do or trust a situation you're primed to doubt. Seeking anecdotal evidence to qualify your thinly-based beliefs, fears and suspicions. Time to move on in your life and look toward positive, community-focused ideas that support the broader society, not just your short time on earth.
sorry not sorry wrote:
I started this thread about Yohan and the vaccine, and now some of you have to derail it by talking about Trump and his supporters. It had nothing to do with Trump or people who voted for him. Good grief, he really does live rent-free in some of your heads! He's not the president anymore, remember?
Let's get back on topic...
No offense but...its niave to think you can talk about this stuff without invoking the name of the cult leader who helped create this paranoia. He's their Jim Jones.
ukathleticscoach wrote:
Whatley wrote:
Half a million Americans have died because of the virus, there are 350 million of us. The odds just aren't that frightful, and a well conditioned athlete like Yohan Blake, I wouldn't worry either.
Yes I got the shot but only becaue the wie bugged me about it.
How many people died from the vaccine?
I believe I've heard somewhere around 4,000 have been killed by vaccine with 20K vaccine injuries so far?
Well he does have a point. You certainly don't need a vaccine for something that has a multitude of treatments for it.
getting bored wrote:[quote]ukathleticscoach wrote:[quote]Whatley wrote:
I believe I've heard somewhere around 4,000 have been killed by vaccine with 20K vaccine injuries so far?
Do you have any sources to back up these claims?
getting bored wrote:
ukathleticscoach wrote:
How many people died from the vaccine?
I believe I've heard somewhere around 4,000 have been killed by vaccine with 20K vaccine injuries so far?
Is there any kind of data on this? Obviously the mainstream purveyors of the Oligarch's propaganda are silent in this.
longjack wrote:
governments with full power kill the people in every situation thus far.
the people are always the main enemy of the gov.
after the dole out of cash, in a year or two, there is the carcus of the western countries,
with massive debt, where all the assets are in the hands of the global bankers.
it's already 99% complete.
not the fat lady sings.
Ohh Word? Haha
What I can't understand is why people are so much against covid vaccine, why not accept it that it's a dangerous virus that takes millions of lives, that it's not a conspiracy issue, and yes, it affects mostly elderly after 60, but anyway young ppl spread it..
fisky wrote:
For example, how many readers would take a vaccine that had NOT been approved by the FDA?
Very few, right?
Well, that's what you're doing if you take the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine. They have NOT been approved by the FDA. They have instead been given EUA status... Emergency Use Authorization.
There are many unanswered questions about these vaccines.
What are the long-term (two-year) effects?
What are the long term effects on the immune system? On fertility? On how it affects other illnesses?
How long will it last?
Will the mRNA vaccine have any unforeseen effects?
What will happen when people inevitably follow an mRNA vaccine this year with a traditional viral-vectored vaccine next year?
Everyone taking these vaccines are guinea pigs to test the long-term results. That's completely okay as long as you understand going into it that you're a guinea pig. So far the vaccine appears to be a reasonably good bet.
I just got my first dose of Moderna yesterday. And I agree with everything you say above. Getting this vaccine is NOT risk free, and you need to know that going into this. Medical history is full of stuff we were sure was safe until we knew it wasn't - thalidomide and Vioxx come to mind.
At the same time, going without the vaccine has its own risks as well - no safe option. I chose to get it when offered, but I do think people need to think through the decision and make the decision that is right for them.
I'm a 46 year old woman. If I was younger and hoping to have kids, I'm not sure I would have gotten it.
Bad Wigins wrote:
deydoodoodohdohdontdeydoo? wrote:
Trump antivaxxer sentiment
???
what are these deranged people going to come up with next? Trump pushed the vax harder than anyone and still brags about it.
then there's the ones who really think "March 4" is a thing for more than 0.0001% of the population
and yes, black people have a long memory for having experimental things tested on them on false pretenses
And lest we forget... recall when Pelosi and Kommie Kamala were saying how they wouldn’t trust the vaccine because Trump was pushing so hard to get one approved?
Not to mention that some of these vaccines do use quite a revolutionary new tech.
The problem has largely been caused by the 'progressive left silencing, cancelling, ridiculing, slandering anybody who disagrees with their beliefs, which appear to be held with a religious fervor and some of which are clearly insane - such as that 'people' get pregnant rather than women or that Islam is a religion of peace etc.
Is it any wonder that people don't trust what the elite tell us anymore?
fisky wrote:
ukathleticscoach wrote:
How is part of a dead virus going to affect your fertility. It triggers the immune system to prepare for the virus.
When has s vaccine ever caused any problem outside of an allergic reaction?
Anyway carry on ignoring the top scientists and instead follow the most ignorant people who come from 3rd world countries.
One of my core beliefs is "knowledge is power." The fact is we don't know for sure if the vaccine affects fertility and we won't know for many months. It does appear to affect cells in the placenta, which is why some doctors are concerned. There have been 160 reported cases of miscarriage/premature birth after taking the vaccine.
As far as problems beyond an allergic reaction, over 1095 deaths have occurred in the days following the vaccination. About a third occurred within 48 hours. Overwhelmingly, the deaths were in the USA. To be fair, the number of deaths after the vaccine are far less than the number of deaths due to COVID, which is currently around 3,000 PER DAY in the US using the 7-day moving average. (1,283 on March 1 so the number is coming down rapidly.)
Other than (I assume) death reports, there is no formal reporting structure for VAERS. Most people have probably never heard of it so it's likely that a lot of side effects are going unreported.
Now, this doesn't mean that I'm against the vaccine. I'm saying that it is not as safe as government and public health officials are telling us. Thankfully, we have millions of people taking the vaccines so we should know the long-term effects in a year or so.
Made up figures
It was not tested on pregnant women so up until now so no pregnant women have been given the vaccine.
Keep siding with someone with the intelligence to take Methylhexamine which has been withdrawn from sale.
ukathleticscoach wrote:
fisky wrote:
One of my core beliefs is "knowledge is power." The fact is we don't know for sure if the vaccine affects fertility and we won't know for many months. It does appear to affect cells in the placenta, which is why some doctors are concerned. There have been 160 reported cases of miscarriage/premature birth after taking the vaccine.
As far as problems beyond an allergic reaction, over 1095 deaths have occurred in the days following the vaccination. About a third occurred within 48 hours. Overwhelmingly, the deaths were in the USA. To be fair, the number of deaths after the vaccine are far less than the number of deaths due to COVID, which is currently around 3,000 PER DAY in the US using the 7-day moving average. (1,283 on March 1 so the number is coming down rapidly.)
Other than (I assume) death reports, there is no formal reporting structure for VAERS. Most people have probably never heard of it so it's likely that a lot of side effects are going unreported.
Now, this doesn't mean that I'm against the vaccine. I'm saying that it is not as safe as government and public health officials are telling us. Thankfully, we have millions of people taking the vaccines so we should know the long-term effects in a year or so.
Made up figures
It was not tested on pregnant women so up until now so no pregnant women have been given the vaccine.
I agree that it's extremely difficult to find these numbers, so I understand your skepticism. Pregnancy adverse events are tracked by the HHS in their VAERS system, much of which is voluntary so we can assume the actual numbers are much higher than reported. The VAERS system is extremely hard to search because all fertility-related events aren't listed in one category. I have tried. Here is VAERS data compiled by a watchdog organization. It shows 160 pregnancy-related adverse events after taking the vaccine. Please note, and this is very important, that we don't have significant data on pregnancy outcomes yet because, as you pointed out, the vaccines weren't knowingly tested on pregnant women. (From what I could find in my search of VAERS, many of these women didn't know they were pregnant when they got the vaccine between Dec 2020 and 18Feb2021. )
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/injuries-reported-vaers-climbs/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=c490b1d0-2794-435a-8896-d82a74129051ukathleticscoach wrote:
It was not tested on pregnant women so up until now so no pregnant women have been given the vaccine.
Depends on your country. There are no completed studies on pregnant women (one is in progress by Pfizer). But in the US in several states pregnant women have been receiving the vaccine.
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