Elite OU College Football Player Severely Beaten by Trained Fighter in Bar Fight

I did judo as a kid for a few years and competed in tournaments. We were young enough that we were not allowed to use submission holds. We only were allowed to do flips and pins for points. But we did learn arm bars and other submission holds as that was allowed at higher levels when we got older. Every lesson on submission holds came with a long lecture from the sensei about how martial arts are purely defensive and how we all were obligated to avoid conflict and only use what we learned as a last resort when attacked.

MMA fighting is a complete disgrace because no one is ever taught about respecting the martial arts and the responsibilities that come with learning martial arts. Instead, these MMA guys are all just out there like loose cannons ready to go off whenever someone gives them the slightest excuse.

Most of the time, the DAs will refuse to charge people in bar fights as the participants in the fight are considered to have consented to the assaults. But there should be an exception where someone uses MMA moves to cause serious injury. Every MMA fighter knows that in the ring they are protected by the refs and without the refs someone will get seriously hurt or killed if the fighters are not restrained.

Haha, the bad ass football player picks a fight with a smaller guy and gets his ass beaten, how awesome is that???

Roy, I agree with your first two paragraphs, but the MMA guy in the video was clearly bleeding from the nose. He had already been hit.

I don't know anything about MMA, but to me it almost looked like he WAS being defensive as soon as he took him to the floor in the hold. The football player continued to punch him in the face, so he turned him and hit him again.

It sounds like you think he should not have the ability to defend himself simply because he knows how to fight. That sounds weird to me. MMA brothers may be total jerks who go out looking for fights. I don't know. But they did not appear to be the aggressors in this video. I don't see how you can say they should have to fight with one hand behind their backs simply because they have trained.

Also, what is "trained for ten years as an MMA fighter" really mean? Was he fighting for money? Was he just taking classes at the local gym? Watched a lot of YouTube videos?

I hate all of this and it makes me sick, so I am not defending anyone. I am just interested in your thinking.

You are reading quite a bit into this, but generally, I share your take. I would like to add that the football player looked to me to be SH*TFACED.

yawn wrote:

Where do you draw the line? Someone who is trained in something shouldn’t use that training?

If the football player cared at all about his football career he wouldn’t be out at bars getting into fights.

If the football guy started the fight then he needs to accept the consequences. If he didn’t start it, then it’s time to talk about criminal charges.

A lot of guys get in fights where no one is injured. Is it realistic that everyone will assume their opponent might be an MMA guy and as a result, there won't be anymore barfights? The guy should have said, "I've been training as an MMA fighter for 10 years and I don't want to hurt you". Why do you believe that wasn't an option and that he no choice but to viciously attack him.

It seems the enjoyment of the story is that a bigger guy got beat up. If they been the same size or if the opponent was a skinny LR guy , would it still have been OK to assault him like that?

Think about it. What do you think the drunk football player's reaction would have been if the MMA fighter said that?

Testosterone and alcohol don't mix.

MMA guy should have said, dude I don't want any trouble...and walked away.

That would have been the mature/professional thing to do.

If then the OU guy comes after him, then MMA guy has the right to defend himself.

I will say that MMA guys are crazy and you don't want to get in a fight with one.

Hell, you wouldn't want to fight a girl MMA fighter.

I live next door to a famous MMA ranch and a very famous fighter, and those guys have a few screws loose to say it mildly.

steve_perry wrote:

If my friend, and I mean good friend, isn't involved in that fight, no shot I am getting involved to break it up. Nonsense alliances are a reason WW1 was what it was. I'm going to be Switzerland and mind my own business.

Same. I more than likely would not know the reason for the fight, so who am I to try to break it up in any way? Let knuckleheads be knuckleheads.

maybe the Football player should not hit a smaller guy in the nose. I think a lot of people are missing that and the football player's friend should not have shoved the guy. there are a lot of would of, could of but the moral of the story is. Don't mess with people and not assume you will win a fight unless you know the other person.

Lotis wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

A lot of guys get in fights where no one is injured. Is it realistic that everyone will assume their opponent might be an MMA guy and as a result, there won't be anymore barfights? The guy should have said, "I've been training as an MMA fighter for 10 years and I don't want to hurt you". Why do you believe that wasn't an option and that he no choice but to viciously attack him.

It seems the enjoyment of the story is that a bigger guy got beat up. If they been the same size or if the opponent was a skinny LR guy , would it still have been OK to assault him like that?

Think about it. What do you think the drunk football player's reaction would have been if the MMA fighter said that?

We don't know because the MMA guy probably didn't say that. In that situation, would you consider your only option to be going for an all-out attack? Do you not find the video, including the commentary, to be offensive?

Don't know what happened before the video started. Based on what Jones seems to be claiming, he was trying to de-escalate a fight. It appears that the guy wearing the denim jacket in the background is the actual offender. He kept pushing MMA bro. It appears that the MMA bro may have suspected that Jones kept pushing him, and hence went for the body blows, and takedown.

The other brother was even worse. It appears that he kept lodging face blows after denim jacket guy was knocked out after being body slammed into the wall.

The MMA brothers are disgusting, and should face severe financial and criminal consequences. They literally could have permanently injured or killed people in that bathroom over nothing.

Finally, the dummy brother bragged about the fight on social media. Probably didn't know the extent of the damage they did, but nevertheless, it's going to cost them financially at a minimum.

rojo wrote:

Wow. What does it say about our society that instead of trying to stop the fight, in the year 2021, everyone's first instinct is to grab their phone and give play by play for twitter.

It's like people almost think it's virtual and not real.

Content is king!

Exactly!

I think you can make a very credible argument that the MMA guys overreacted, especially given their alleged training. However, I'm not seeing one shred of evidence that either football player was trying to deescalate anything. Also, it really looks like the MMA guy that struck Jones had already been hit first, as others have pointed out.

I'm curious about what actually happened before the video started, including how hammered Jones was. I doubt we'll ever get a truly unbiased account. I don't feel sorry for any of them, whatever the legal outcome.

They are the types you see in jail who bang their heads on the bars and walls just because. You have to have a really high pain threshold to be an mma fighter. Naturally high pain threshold.

kw1954 wrote:

I live next door to a famous MMA ranch and a very famous fighter, and those guys have a few screws loose to say it mildly.

Precious is a flaming leftist. So take the reasonable lesson from this and be assured that he’ll be 180 degrees from that.

So not surprised he comes to the aid of the person trying to be an aggressive bully and instead gets schooled.

Like someone else said, hope he learned a valuable life lesson. Of course, if additional information comes out as to what transpired prior, I’ll reserve the right to change my opinion.

gdm wrote:

hook em horns wrote:

LOL! He was bleeding. Have you ever been in a fight? "Here, now that I have you in a chokehold that you're trying to escape from and stomp me and my brother into the ground, let me tell you about why you should not continue assaulting me..."

LOL! Goodnight. Again, wtf. How do people think like you?

So is every fight a fight to the death? How does it ever end?

The sequence of physical altercation is clear. Jean jacket guy pushes MMA guy. MMA guy sucker punches football guy then sustains his attack. I'm no lawyer and we don't know what happened before the video, but that looks like aggravated assault by the MMA guy to me.

Do you even understand/realize how idiotic what you just said is?

The sequence is clear huh? From that handheld video. The entire sequence of events is undeniable and clear - there's no possibility that anything happened before, the 4 just met in the bathrooms at this exact moment, this was the first interaction and then that's it - aggravated assault?

I mean dude who knocked Chad off his feet with that beautiful first clip to the chin has a bloodied nose for one - you know how he got that? Maybe he just walked into a swinging cubicle door I don't know - the point is you don't either. Sucker punch?!? SUCKER PUNCH - do you know what a sucker punch is? This idiot says "what you got" standing face to face with this other kid and he straight up dings him. That's not a sucker punch my friend.

Look I don't condone fighting, I think bigger picture it's tragic that kids are rolling around on pi$$-soaked bathroom floors at bars, but I tell you what - I don't have a lot of sympathy for 2 guys, 1 of whom pushes initiates the assault (jean jacket Brad) and another who tells a guy to "get the f$ck outta here" followed up with "so what you got".

If I was going to make an educated hypothesis on how this went down in it's entirety (not the 1min clip) it certainly isn't that the football Chad and his pretty boy mate Brad were being pushed around and bullied by these much smaller kids. Guys who know how to properly fight are very rarely cruising round bars instigating fights with people to show off their skills - they don't have much to prove - to themselves or anyone. Unless of course you want to give one of them a bloody nose, shove them and ask them "what you got" which seems to give a very clear justification for self defense. But again, disclosure - this is just a guess and not a statement of "this is what unequivocally went down therefore..."

Your take here of the "sequence of events" is laughable because, simply, you don't know. Either way, as someone else on this thread said quite nicely - don't ask for something if you aren't prepared to take it. If Spencer Jones and his mate shut their mouths and just walk out of the toilet after j@cking each other off then there is a very strong possibility that none of this happens.

The pearl clutching here by the Lefties is pretty hilarious. The thought that someone with martial arts training shouldn't ever use it with anyone who doesn't even to defend themselves is one of the most hilariously absurd notions I've ever heard of. I have been taught never to instigate any physical altercation whatsoever for a variety of reasons which includes having ones life potentially forever altered, all due to caveman emotions. Big guys like the football player forget that their physical advantages are quickly nullified the moment they enter into conflict with anyone with even a modicum of training.

I think the recurring theme with the Lefties here is that they defend instigative behavior from boorish aggressors at every turn and this bar fight is no exception. If someone dares to defend themselves from instigative behavior, it suddenly becomes an issue of "unfair advantages" and "oh no, he could have forever ruined the instigator's life" blah, blah.

All the Lefties here need to just admit that they stand for being able to fk with anyone on a whim for any reason without any consequences due to their thirst for conflict and falsely puffed up egos.

kw1954 wrote:

MMA guy should have said, dude I don't want any trouble...and walked away.

That would have been the mature/professional thing to do.

If then the OU guy comes after him, then MMA guy has the right to defend himself.

So here in lies the essence of this entire debate. We see a 1min clip of these guys getting their a$$es kicked. We have no knowledge as yet that your first point here didn't happen because it very well may have. That could be why they are in the bathroom - who knows. What we do know is that visibly, this kid has a bloodied nose which would suggest to me something has happened before this. And because he has a bloodied nose it would suggest to me that he was the recipient of some act. Fair?

Second point, "gtfoh", "what you got" and then his d$ckhead mate shoving the guy - does this constitute as "coming after him". Question - if some 6'1 200lb guy says those things to you and his henchman shoves you - are you threatened and concerned for your potential safety? If the underlying point here is about the right for the MMA kid to defend himself then he has every right. And the only thing that will get in the way of this legally will be some white football privilege BS where the prosecution makes some sob-story about how this has affected his dream of playing the NFL and the judge is a OU alma mater.

Related point - the fact that Jones is in a choke hold and still trying (albeit comically) to punch the kid doesn't bode well for his chances. If it's established that was self-defense then the fact you aren't trying to deescalate the situation but in fact escalate it even more after you would have been deemed to have started it, isn't good for you. On the flip side the fact these guys are skilled and trained fighters doesn't bode well because martial artists are held to slightly different interpretations of the law with respect to reasonable and excessive force.

Summary - kid has every right to defend himself, may run into trouble with how exactly he defended himself. Spencer Jones learns a humbling life lesson about picking fights in bar toilets.