Anyone who knows anything about baseball should know that Barry Bonds should be in the hall of fame.
There is a clear line that was obvious when he started using steroids. His body practically doubled in size including his skull.
If you split his career in half from before steroids and after steroids, he is a hall of fame hitter and fielder before getting on the juice.
His talent is undeniable starting from playing for USC.
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They need to remove the moral clause from hall of fame consideration.
No one cares about that. It should strictly be on stats. -
Flagpole wrote:
Mondo Hondo wrote:
Dock Ellis - pitched a no-hitter on acid, perhaps the greatest athletic achievement of all time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vUhSYLRw14
Kind of a funny suggestion, but with 138 wins, no chance.
I wonder how many people think it is "Doc" Ellis?
Maybe the achievement should be enshrined, rather than Ellis. Because as far as I know, no one else has even attempted it. It’s the baseball equivalent of free soloing El Capitan. -
A More Accurate Answer wrote:
slowerthanu wrote:
Barry Bonds
Barry Bonds cheated. Lance Armstrong’s titles were removed. It’s how it works.
Then erase him and other supposed cheaters from all the record books. Rescind the MVPs of Bonds, Clemens Cy Youngs and Rose's WS MVP. Wipe all of their records off the books and rescind any world series titles of the teams they played for. Keeping them out of the Hall and leaving their accomplishments and rewards (and those of their their teams) on the books is hypocritical and inconsistent.
Bottom line, having a baseball HoF without the all-time hits and home run leaders is a joke. -
Dickslapper wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Ackley wrote:
Dickslapper wrote:
Curt Schilling belongs in the Hall of Fame. I think he is a jackass but this should not be disqualifying.
Agree 100%. There is no baseball-related reason to keep him out. He was actually a late bloomer when he finally got his shot with the Philles who were awful most seasons he was there.
Disagree. 216 wins is not good enough. He belongs in the Hall of the Very Good. Never won the Cy Young. A power pitcher who only led the league in strikeouts twice. He deserves to be out.
Blyleven was better with wins and ERA, and I don't think he should be in.
Flagpole you are wrong here. Schilling is 15th in strikeouts and the 14 ahead of him are all in except Clemens who deserves to be in obviously. Schilling was a 6 time All Star and 3 time World Series Champion. Schilling was 11-2 with a 2.23 ERA in 19 post season starts. He is one of only 6 pitchers with 3 300 strikeout seasons. I could go on...
Meh. I don't think it's enough. -
facing facts wrote:
correctamundo wrote:
Pete Rose is pretty famous
Pete Rose bet on the game, but never cheated. He was an honest tough player. He should be in.
I agree. Was really going more for those who don't have anything like a lifetime ban or steroid use in their way, but I agree Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame. -
Curt Schilling 216-146
Catfish Hunter 224-166
Catfish is in and Schilling is not. Yeah that makes sense... -
Even though I think he's a jerk, Pete Rose.
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Flagpole wrote:
facing facts wrote:
correctamundo wrote:
Pete Rose is pretty famous
Pete Rose bet on the game, but never cheated. He was an honest tough player. He should be in.
I agree. Was really going more for those who don't have anything like a lifetime ban or steroid use in their way, but I agree Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame.
No, Rose shouldn't. Here is the rule:
Section D of Major League Baseball Rule 21 states:
1) Any player, umpire, or Club or League official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has no duty to perform, shall be declared ineligible for one year.
2) Any player, umpire, or Club or League official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform, shall be declared permanently ineligible.
I often see Steve Sax at the local Starbucks and he said that the rule is on the wall in every clubhouse and is the first thing you see when entering one. -
Keith Hernandez
11 consecutive Gold Gloves at 1st Base. That is enough.
Also 8 seasons batting .295 or better -
nittanyb0iler wrote:
Keith Hernandez
11 consecutive Gold Gloves at 1st Base. That is enough.
Also 8 seasons batting .295 or better
Came here to post this. Looking at his vote totals is laughable. He never even got 11 percent of the vote.
https://www.cooperstowncred.com/keith-hernandez-hall-fame/ -
Roger Maris
Maury Wills -
Flagpole wrote:
Ackley wrote:
Dickslapper wrote:
Curt Schilling belongs in the Hall of Fame. I think he is a jackass but this should not be disqualifying.
Agree 100%. There is no baseball-related reason to keep him out. He was actually a late bloomer when he finally got his shot with the Philles who were awful most seasons he was there.
Disagree. 216 wins is not good enough. He belongs in the Hall of the Very Good. Never won the Cy Young. A power pitcher who only led the league in strikeouts twice. He deserves to be out.
Blyleven was better with wins and ERA, and I don't think he should be in.
Schilling would be a shoo-in statistically. I looked into this a few weeks ago after the last vote. The best all-encompassing statistic is WAR. Schilling is higher than about 80% of guys in the hall. Here are the ONLY HOF eligible players with a higher career WAR than Schilling who aren't in the hall:
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Pete Rose
Not even a borderline case, he was kept out for personal reasons (and even then, he almost made it, he got 70% on the previous ballot and likely would have gotten in next year).
Blyleven also fully deserves to be in the hall. It was the rise of sabermetrics that made people realize his career was underrated and got him into the hall. -
StevePrefonDead wrote:
nittanyb0iler wrote:
Keith Hernandez
11 consecutive Gold Gloves at 1st Base. That is enough.
Also 8 seasons batting .295 or better
Came here to post this. Looking at his vote totals is laughable. He never even got 11 percent of the vote.
I agree..........but I'm NOT taking him to the airport! -
JerryS wrote:
StevePrefonDead wrote:
nittanyb0iler wrote:
Keith Hernandez
11 consecutive Gold Gloves at 1st Base. That is enough.
Also 8 seasons batting .295 or better
Came here to post this. Looking at his vote totals is laughable. He never even got 11 percent of the vote.
I agree..........but I'm NOT taking him to the airport!
Lol.
How about George Constanza in the Hall for revolutionizing the game with the advent of cotton uniforms? -
Keeping Pete Rose out of the Hall of Fame has only made him more famous every year.
He probably makes more money because he gets talked about so much and his profile is raised.
If he was put in the Hall right away, he would ironically be much less famous right now. -
Keith Hernandez.
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ticker wrote:
A More Accurate Answer wrote:
slowerthanu wrote:
Barry Bonds
Barry Bonds cheated. Lance Armstrong’s titles were removed. It’s how it works.
Then erase him and other supposed cheaters from all the record books. Rescind the MVPs of Bonds, Clemens Cy Youngs and Rose's WS MVP. Wipe all of their records off the books and rescind any world series titles of the teams they played for. Keeping them out of the Hall and leaving their accomplishments and rewards (and those of their their teams) on the books is hypocritical and inconsistent.
Bottom line, having a baseball HoF without the all-time hits and home run leaders is a joke.
Those are all great ideas. They did the same for cheaters in cycling and running. -
nate archibald wrote:
Anyone who knows anything about baseball should know that Barry Bonds should be in the hall of fame.
There is a clear line that was obvious when he started using steroids. His body practically doubled in size including his skull.
If you split his career in half from before steroids and after steroids, he is a hall of fame hitter and fielder before getting on the juice.
His talent is undeniable starting from playing for USC.
He played for Arizona State. Not USC. -
Flagpole wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Considering these two guys who in my opinion JUST squeaked in (Gary Carter and Bert Blyleven), what guys do you think should be in the Hall of Fame?
I could make a decent list, but I'll let you all provide some names. I'll start with two:
Fred McGriff - How is this guy not in?
Dale Murphy
McGriff played for 19 seasons so his career stats are solid but he was never an MVP level player and was bad defensively. His career WAR of 52.6 is less than the typical HOFer.
Murphy won 2 MVPs but really dropped off beginning at age 32 and his career WAR was 46.5.
If I was in charge, I would do some housecleaning by kicking out about half of the players and then raise the bar a little.
I can accept your argument for Murphy (though again, when comparing against Gary Carter, I say he should be in if Carter's in), but not Fred McGriff. He had more home runs, more RBIs and a better batting average than Cal Ripken Jr....a Cal Ripken Jr. who had padded numbers because he played every freakin' day.
McGriff had more RBIs than:
Stargell
Bench
DiMaggio
Mantle
Billy Williams
Eddie Mathews
Jim Rice
Yogi Berra
Mike Piazza
493 HRs, 1550 RBIs, .284 batting average
He should be in.
Yep, Crime Dog should be in. He'd have 500 hr's if it wasn't for the strike.
