Guys who should be in the Baseball Hall of Fame

Barry Bonds

Pete Rose is pretty famous

Flagpole wrote:

Considering these two guys who in my opinion JUST squeaked in (Gary Carter and Bert Blyleven), what guys do you think should be in the Hall of Fame?

I could make a decent list, but I'll let you all provide some names. I'll start with two:

Fred McGriff - How is this guy not in?

Dale Murphy

McGriff played for 19 seasons so his career stats are solid but he was never an MVP level player and was bad defensively. His career WAR of 52.6 is less than the typical HOFer.

Murphy won 2 MVPs but really dropped off beginning at age 32 and his career WAR was 46.5.

If I was in charge, I would do some housecleaning by kicking out about half of the players and then raise the bar a little.

Vince Coleman

Dock Ellis - pitched a no-hitter on acid, perhaps the greatest athletic achievement of all time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vUhSYLRw14

Me.

Hit a walk off grand slam to win my middle school league championships. I was also a base stealing menace. Probably averaged 2 steals a game.

Obviously Sidd Finch

slowerthanu wrote:

Barry Bonds

Barry Bonds cheated. Lance Armstrong’s titles were removed. It’s how it works.

Curt Schilling belongs in the Hall of Fame. I think he is a jackass but this should not be disqualifying.

Dickslapper wrote:

Curt Schilling belongs in the Hall of Fame. I think he is a jackass but this should not be disqualifying.

Agree 100%. There is no baseball-related reason to keep him out. He was actually a late bloomer when he finally got his shot with the Philles who were awful most seasons he was there.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Considering these two guys who in my opinion JUST squeaked in (Gary Carter and Bert Blyleven), what guys do you think should be in the Hall of Fame?

I could make a decent list, but I'll let you all provide some names. I'll start with two:

Fred McGriff - How is this guy not in?

Dale Murphy

McGriff played for 19 seasons so his career stats are solid but he was never an MVP level player and was bad defensively. His career WAR of 52.6 is less than the typical HOFer.

Murphy won 2 MVPs but really dropped off beginning at age 32 and his career WAR was 46.5.

If I was in charge, I would do some housecleaning by kicking out about half of the players and then raise the bar a little.

I can accept your argument for Murphy (though again, when comparing against Gary Carter, I say he should be in if Carter's in), but not Fred McGriff. He had more home runs, more RBIs and a better batting average than Cal Ripken Jr....a Cal Ripken Jr. who had padded numbers because he played every freakin' day.

McGriff had more RBIs than:

Stargell

Bench

DiMaggio

Mantle

Billy Williams

Eddie Mathews

Jim Rice

Yogi Berra

Mike Piazza

493 HRs, 1550 RBIs, .284 batting average

He should be in.

Ackley wrote:

Dickslapper wrote:

Curt Schilling belongs in the Hall of Fame. I think he is a jackass but this should not be disqualifying.

Agree 100%. There is no baseball-related reason to keep him out. He was actually a late bloomer when he finally got his shot with the Philles who were awful most seasons he was there.

Disagree. 216 wins is not good enough. He belongs in the Hall of the Very Good. Never won the Cy Young. A power pitcher who only led the league in strikeouts twice. He deserves to be out.

Blyleven was better with wins and ERA, and I don't think he should be in.

trollin' along wrote:

Obviously Sidd Finch

Good call.

Stoppit Smith wrote:

Vince Coleman

If there was one for base stealers only, but his hit totals and batting average are way too low for a singles hitter.

Mondo Hondo wrote:

Dock Ellis - pitched a no-hitter on acid, perhaps the greatest athletic achievement of all time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vUhSYLRw14

Kind of a funny suggestion, but with 138 wins, no chance.

I wonder how many people think it is "Doc" Ellis?

I think Dale Murphy should be in. The only knock against him is that he didn't sustain his peak production for long enough.

There are many players in the HOF who are far inferior to Murphy. For about 5 or 6 years, he was one of the very best, if not THE best, in the major leagues. There are quite a few players who made it to the HOF without ever being "the cream of the cream" during their era. Harold Baines, for example, made it in recently, and his peak level was nowhere close to Murphy's. Baines was just able to maintain a decent level for a long time.

Murphy is somewhat handicapped by having played for mostly terrible Braves teams at his peak, and for having played in a pitcher-friendly era. His stats don't look all that remarkable compared to top players of today, but things are different now.

Murphy was (and is) also a tremendous human being. Not that that should be a big factor in HOF voting, I guess, but I have a suspicion that part of the reason Murphy faded relatively early is because he was the kind of guy who would never take any illegal substances. I don't know what all was even available at the time, given that he retired in 1993, a little before the MLB steroid era was in full swing. But PED's have almost undoubtedly extended careers of some top players, allowing them to pad their stats and distort what is considered HOF-worthy.

Flagpole wrote:

Ackley wrote:

Agree 100%. There is no baseball-related reason to keep him out. He was actually a late bloomer when he finally got his shot with the Philles who were awful most seasons he was there.

Disagree. 216 wins is not good enough. He belongs in the Hall of the Very Good. Never won the Cy Young. A power pitcher who only led the league in strikeouts twice. He deserves to be out.

Blyleven was better with wins and ERA, and I don't think he should be in.

Flagpole you are wrong here. Schilling is 15th in strikeouts and the 14 ahead of him are all in except Clemens who deserves to be in obviously. Schilling was a 6 time All Star and 3 time World Series Champion. Schilling was 11-2 with a 2.23 ERA in 19 post season starts. He is one of only 6 pitchers with 3 300 strikeout seasons. I could go on...

This one will never realistically be considered because of his statistics, but it should be because of what he did at all...

Jim Abbott

correctamundo wrote:

Pete Rose is pretty famous

Pete Rose bet on the game, but never cheated. He was an honest tough player. He should be in.