500,000 Americans Have Died of COVID

#LHRC wrote:

I’d be happy to answer.

^still hasn't answered

Harambe wrote:

knee jerk reactivity metric wrote:

So you won't watch a video explaining why the PCR test is inappropriate for diagnosis of any illness.

But you want to use circular reasoning to explain why this is a false premise?

Everyone arguing with you is well aware of the limits (and benefits) of PCR testing. Just because you decided to start reading about it last night doesn't mean the whole world is as ignorant as you.

The fact that PCR positive cases have predicted hospitalizations and deaths and excess deaths across both time and space are excellent evidence the test are powerful.

Yeah, so powerful they even give thousands of false positives. That's real power.

It's hilarious how NO ONE responds to the key point EVER: "The fact that PCR positive cases have predicted hospitalizations and deaths and excess deaths across both time and space" Ignoring it won't make the truth go away. At some point it stops being funny trolling and is just stupid.

j6dym wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Everyone arguing with you is well aware of the limits (and benefits) of PCR testing. Just because you decided to start reading about it last night doesn't mean the whole world is as ignorant as you.

The fact that PCR positive cases have predicted hospitalizations and deaths and excess deaths across both time and space are excellent evidence the test are powerful.

Yeah, so powerful they even give thousands of false positives. That's real power.

I'd be happy to have a supermodel wife, sub 14 5k, and $250k/yr job. Doesn't mean it's happening.

#LHRC wrote:

I’d be happy to answer.

j6dym wrote:

Yeah, so powerful they even give thousands of false positives. That's real power.

Even accepting your definitely of "false positive" you fail to understand that 1) no test is perfect in it's predictive power for your desired condition and 2) the tests results are clearly loaded with information still as they:

accurately predict hospitalizations, deaths, and excess deaths across time and space

^fee free to ignore the last phrase as it blows open your argument -- cheers

2600 bro wrote:

It's hilarious how NO ONE responds to the key point EVER: "The fact that PCR positive cases have predicted hospitalizations and deaths and excess deaths across both time and space"

this is a salient 'point' ?

what have they predicted? show us this almighty correlation

what are the hospitalization and death rates for positive cases?

many hospitals have basically closed down entire wings except for supposed covid patients...

figgo wrote:

this is a salient 'point' ?

what have they predicted? show us this almighty correlation

what are the hospitalization and death rates for positive cases?

many hospitals have basically closed down entire wings except for supposed covid patients...

A chart of cases in every state predicts rises in hospitalizations, then deaths and excess deaths.

Test positivity is also correlated with surges.

You still have not explained how positive tests predicting excess deaths could possibly work if the test is as useless as you say.

This is what -- 3 pages now without you answering the question? Keep it up.. going for an Allen53-level record

It's amazing how hard people will spin to avoid the obvious. Tests for a virus that causes serious pandemic respiratory disease happen to predict excess deaths!

Harambe wrote:

figgo wrote:

this is a salient 'point' ?

what have they predicted? show us this almighty correlation

what are the hospitalization and death rates for positive cases?

many hospitals have basically closed down entire wings except for supposed covid patients...

A chart of cases in every state predicts rises in hospitalizations, then deaths and excess deaths.

Test positivity is also correlated with surges.

You still have not explained how positive tests predicting excess deaths could possibly work if the test is as useless as you say.

This is what -- 3 pages now without you answering the question? Keep it up.. going for an Allen53-level record

Harambe wrote:

j6dym wrote:

Yeah, so powerful they even give thousands of false positives. That's real power.

Even accepting your definitely of "false positive" you fail to understand that 1) no test is perfect in it's predictive power for your desired condition and 2) the tests results are clearly loaded with information still as they:

accurately predict hospitalizations, deaths, and excess deaths across time and space

^fee free to ignore the last phrase as it blows open your argument -- cheers

You and your alter ego(s) talk about ignoring the truth:

I know of a person, and no, no link darling, not everything has links in the real world, who in 72h did 8 tests. 7 negative, 1 positive (not in that order, and in the end was considered negative).

It was a sort of famous person and the case was mentioned in the news and the false positive numbers situation very briefly addressed.

But then it was quickly swept under the rug because it doesn't fit the lockdown narrative.

I am patient.

You twist your numbers the way you want.

Claiming you are the ones speaking the truth doesn't make it so.

Have a nice day.

2600 bro wrote:

It's amazing how hard people will spin to avoid the obvious.

Speak for yourself, "bro".

j6dym wrote:

You and your alter ego(s) talk about ignoring the truth:

I know of a person, and no, no link darling, not everything has links in the real world, who in 72h did 8 tests. 7 negative, 1 positive (not in that order, and in the end was considered negative).

It was a sort of famous person and the case was mentioned in the news and the false positive numbers situation very briefly addressed.

But then it was quickly swept under the rug because it doesn't fit the lockdown narrative.

I am patient.

You twist your numbers the way you want.

Claiming you are the ones speaking the truth doesn't make it so.

Have a nice day.

"I have one piece of anecdotal evidence, and no, I don't need to back up my claims. How dare you demand evidence. I am very smart."

Again, no response to the fact that test positive predict excess deaths.

I don't even have to do anything, you just own yourself!

You can have small amounts of virus that are right at the detection limit. That doesnt mean there was test failure or false positive. Tests are predictive... not perfect. Multiple testing is a good path to confirm a/presymptomatic positives. It's getting a bit funny thought - why do you care so much about test false positivity when you don't address the excess death/test correlation. It really damages your argument that the tests are meaningless. Without some way to explain why many more people are dying than normal in places of high testing positivity... you have no evidence to claim the tests are not predictive of severe disease. Can you at least address this point? Multiple people have mentioned this 8-10 times in this thread now :)

Does he think he's not super obviously avoiding the questions?

2600 bro wrote:

It's hilarious how NO ONE responds to the key point EVER: "The fact that PCR positive cases have predicted hospitalizations and deaths and excess deaths across both time and space"

Ignoring it won't make the truth go away.

At some point it stops being funny trolling and is just stupid.

j6dym wrote:

Yeah, so powerful they even give thousands of false positives. That's real power.

You mean the statistics that "prove" the correlation between the number of tests and the number of sick people?

Is that what the "covid deniers" are missing?

Nice circular reasoning there.

knee jerk reactivity metric wrote:

You mean the statistics that "prove" the correlation between the number of tests and the number of sick people?

Is that what the "covid deniers" are missing?

Nice circular reasoning there.

Do you contend the correlation is not there?

Eager to see your response.

"Nothing is real" Hot takes from the LRC geniuses.

Harambe wrote:

knee jerk reactivity metric wrote:

You mean the statistics that "prove" the correlation between the number of tests and the number of sick people?

Is that what the "covid deniers" are missing?

Nice circular reasoning there.

Do you contend the correlation is not there?

Eager to see your response.

[quote]knee jerk reactivity metric wrote:

[quote]2600 bro wrote:

It's hilarious how NO ONE responds to the key point EVER: "The fact that PCR positive cases have predicted hospitalizations and deaths and excess deaths across both time and space”

Yes. So what’s your point? PCR tests show if you have Covid. Some people with Covid get sick go to the hospital

And die.

That’s Standard stuff. Happens with every new flu strain, man made or not. For Centuries

#LHRC wrote:

Yes. So what’s your point? PCR tests show if you have Covid. Some people with Covid get sick go to the hospital

And die.

That’s Standard stuff. Happens with every new flu strain, man made or not. For Centuries

Brilliant. When is the last time a flu had ~0.6% IFR, Rt >3, and caused 500k excess deaths?

You might be starting to get it.

The more of these unreliable tests that are given, the more positives we get.

No surprise there.

Not sure what this proves