500,000 Americans Have Died of COVID

yeesh, this place is so speculative

here's the provisional numbers for the first 9 months of 2020 (though I don't trust the cdc as far as I can throw 'em):

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/provisional-tables.htm

roughly 2,432,000 deaths

average of ~270,000 deaths a month

if that continues, it's ~3,243,000 for 12 months of 2020

consider deaths due to suicides, homicide, starvation, substance abuse, weakened immune systems from lockdowns and lack of vitamin d/exercise/fresh air, psychosomatic effects due to media paranoia, missing elective procedures and not seeing doctors in general - all due to covid restrictions

If the same pattern went back before 13 weeks (with 20 weeks being the max time a death goes without being fully entered into the database) you end up with closer to 400k extra deaths for a total of 2.9M. That would mean around 400k deaths over the last 40 days of the year. I admit I don’t know if the pattern is linear or not, but given 2 points that is the best guess possible.

figgo wrote:

yeesh, this place is so speculative

here's the provisional numbers for the first 9 months of 2020 (though I don't trust the cdc as far as I can throw 'em):

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/provisional-tables.htm

roughly 2,432,000 deaths

average of ~270,000 deaths a month

if that continues, it's ~3,243,000 for 12 months of 2020

consider deaths due to suicides, homicide, starvation, substance abuse, weakened immune systems from lockdowns and lack of vitamin d/exercise/fresh air, psychosomatic effects due to media paranoia, missing elective procedures and not seeing doctors in general - all due to covid restrictions

Yeah, not like anything happened in the last few months of 2020 that might cause more deaths than expected. Nothing at all.

Numeracy is not your strong suit -- that's ok -- but probably best to sit the rest of this out.

figgo wrote:

consider deaths due to suicides, homicide, starvation, substance abuse, weakened immune systems from lockdowns and lack of vitamin d/exercise/fresh air, psychosomatic effects due to media paranoia, missing elective procedures and not seeing doctors in general - all due to covid restrictions

I'll add that these deaths are totally plausible to a minor, minor degree.

But, you are offering them as a total explanation for the 500k excess deaths in the US that map very nicely onto COVID deaths in time and place. You would need to provide data on par with all the tabulated COVID tests, hospitalizations, and deaths at the state and national level to suggests that these alternative causes of death explain even a fraction of the 500k excess deaths.

You have nothing to support this beyond anecdotal evidence of maybe a few dozen total.

I'll stick with the simple explanation. COVID deaths explain excess deaths. Waiting for serious evidence otherwise!!

The Unkle wrote:

Harambe wrote:

No, the November data is missing deaths from October and November. (And obviously December)

What part of "incomplete reporting" do you not understand?

Just because the numbers have been exposed as being impossibly inconsistent does not mean that the reporting is incomplete.

Why would data as of the last week in November not include October deaths? Is this 1890 technology we are using?

It's explained quite clearly. Try reading.

Harambe wrote:

Yeah, not like anything happened in the last few months of 2020 that might cause more deaths than expected. Nothing at all.

enlighten me

figgo wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Yeah, not like anything happened in the last few months of 2020 that might cause more deaths than expected. Nothing at all.

enlighten me

And this is how you know you've uncovered yet another troll. Best approach: starve it by ignoring it.

figgo wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Yeah, not like anything happened in the last few months of 2020 that might cause more deaths than expected. Nothing at all.

enlighten me

Gates-Clinton-Fauci-Soros rolled out a new PCR test that

1) caused numbers to sky rocket with patented False Positive Mullis technology

2) killed people by changing their DNA to give them COVID symptoms (google Okazaki fragment)

Wake up, sheeple

Ivyguy wrote:

And this is how you know you've uncovered yet another troll. Best approach: starve it by ignoring it.

It's more fun to see them contradict themselves 5 times in 5 posts as they run up against the impenetrable barrier of their own average troll intelligence.

Harambe wrote:

Gates-Clinton-Fauci-Soros rolled out a new PCR test that

1) caused numbers to sky rocket with patented False Positive Mullis technology

2) killed people by changing their DNA to give them COVID symptoms (google Okazaki fragment)

Wake up, sheeple

Quality parody here. Mongo impressed.

Harambe wrote:

Yeah, not like anything happened in the last few months of 2020 that might cause more deaths than expected. Nothing at all.

Numeracy is not your strong suit -- that's ok -- but probably best to sit the rest of this out.

It's covid-19, remember? Was discovered in China in December 2019. By March 2020, almost a full year ago, serious lockdowns were already being imposed here.

Numeracy is not your strong suit -- that's ok -- but probably best to sit the rest of this out.

Minor degree? ? ?? there were over 40,000 suicides in the US in 2019.....so if we factor in a 10% increase that's 4,000 extra deaths!

I know that's inflating the reported increase rate of suicudes a bit.....but that leaves you with ONLY 496,000 COVID deaths.

Keep doing that for all those hypothetical factors and BAM! it's not so hard to imagine whittling down that supposed 500k number to a mere 472,000!

figgo wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Yeah, not like anything happened in the last few months of 2020 that might cause more deaths than expected. Nothing at all.

enlighten me

Let's first start with teaching you to read.

Half a million deaths and all that can be heard here is the braying of lunatic fringe. It explains why you have half a million deaths - worse than any other country in the world.

Cry it out bro. We are here for you. Craziness has no boundaries tho you are certainly pushing them.

Gotta quit believing the hype. At one time no doubt you thought Coumo was doing a great job, and an ethical man? Now it’s Fauci’s turn to get that love. People are not only dying from Covid Chief. Get over yourself

butler county sheriff supporter wrote:

Common Cents wrote:

What is it going to take for Americans to acknowledge that we need a European style lockdown here? 500,000 Americans are now dead due to the irresponsible actions of many. We need to do something immediately before it’s too late!!

Bull!!!

You fauci fairies are liars.

Get your masks back on, democrat fairies.

More than 3 million dead in the US last year and almost all avoidable through better habits. As a country, we don't push healthy eating or exercise. We don't fat shame or shame people for bad eating or laziness but we shame people during Covid for going outside for a run or not wearing a mask. We don't care about saving people because 3 million die every year and you don't come here preaching hiw we could have saved thise people. That is tens of millions over time. But you care more about one small cause of death. Ever heard of penny wise and pound foolish?

Prior to Covid, public health experts were very invested in addressing obesity. There have been significant efforts in this regard. Unfortunately, there has been a lot of pushback. Encourage encourage you to look at the research, especially with regards to what appear to be the most effective interventions. Please support these interventions if they come up on ballot initiatives, but my frustration with the lack of progress in this direction does not bring back the 500k dead or negate the effectiveness of the vaccines

We can look at Sweden for a healthy country surrounded by low Covid countries that had relatively little in the way of Covid interventions. Also, I spend a fair amount of thought and effort into addressing weight issues. Fat shaming in my experience is counter-productive.