Rojo, please show us the scientific fact of how they shoes improve performance this dramatically. If you are going to try to discredit these performances and justify the fast times by saying shoe technology then the burden of proof is on you to show the scientific facts of how it improves performance. Stop using quotes from someone like Nick W. He has no scientific background, if anything he could be upset college kids are faster then him now. You are stating opinions from people but no facts. Please us a logical argument, and stop slandering these kids performances which they worked extremely hard to get. You sound like a boomer who is talking to all his older friends who are salty that this generation is just faster. It makes sense, training is more advance, people had a whole year off to train like a professional. I just want you to use fact not opinions.
If anything, the brojos are extremely permissive as accepting technology as the new normal.
What's outrageous is the fact that we don't know if it's the shoes or not.
It reminds me of PEDs, you see a sick performance and you just don't know what to believe.
Why should I believe you that "if these spikes make a difference, it's very negligible?"
I can either believe you or believe Nick Willis - a two time Olympic medallist - who has publicly tweeted out the shoes helped him by 2 seconds in a 1200.. Or Geoff Burns - who has studied this stuff in a lab and predicted times would be blown away this year. So a PHD tells us "Track times are going to be insane this year, just wait. Then Nick Willis puts on the shoes and says, "These things are incredible."
And now times are dropping like flies and I have to believe you that it's negligible? Sorry, I can't do that. Even if they are worth 2.67 seconds in a 4 minute mile, that's way less on a percentage basis than 2 minutes in 2 hour marathon. In fact, it's 49.2% greater in the marathon (1.67% versus 1.11%).
Please don't misunderstand me. I',mm not saying it's worth 2.67 seconds.
Hilarious the brojos put:
MB Talk – How much of it is the shoes?
On the homepage when that’s barely any of the talk and some of the talk about it seems to be making fun of their obsession
Plenty of people are talking about it.
I texted the result to my two college roommates who were milers. Scott Anderson - a sub-4 miler, asked how much of it was the shoes and how much of it was not having life distractions because of Covid-19? Author Chris Lear responded, "Shoes 100%. Times are now meaningless. What a joke."
I don't go that far. I don't think it's 100% the shoes and don't think times are totally meaninglesss but do think we have no way yet of fully understanding it.
When I told the result to John Kellogg, his reply was as follows. "And they only ran 919 in the DMR? It doesn't mean anything with those shoes. You can't tell what it's worth."
Please read this and tell me how this isn't discrediting a performance? Also not one fact in this post. Sounds like something Skip Bayless would say lol
[quote]Use Facts wrote:
Rojo, please show us the scientific fact of how they shoes improve performance this dramatically.
Please show us the science that shows that the drastic increase in performances of those using the new shoes is not due to those shoes.
Common sense and stats/probabilities say they do
I agree -- there's need to be a lot more independent evidence before claiming "it's the shoes." All they are doing is adding to the Nike hype machine.
I'll say it just may be the shoes, but not because the shoes are physically any advantage, but because runners *believe and expect* to run faster in the shoes. No shoe can match the power of belief and the mind.
Dojo won’t ever respond to this