Why Is It Assumed That Skinny Runners Are "Strong Aerobically"?

Come again.

I'm no expert on muscular composition and whatnot so I'm not sure if different, durable muscle exists, but just assuming that it does, I think the likely explanation is that while there are some skinny guys with that type of durable muscle, that number is much smaller than the number of skinny guys who just have weaker, smaller muscles and are in turn stronger aerobically to compensate, which would cause people to generalize and assume all fast, skinny runners are aerobic beasts. Just a theory, frankly I don't know.

Power to weight ratio, running economy and Viren was more mature and peaked perfectly for the 72 Olympics. Compared to Pre. Who is a over hyped American runner.

I don't know , but I'm pretty sure that stoppit smith does.

Do you know the430miler? I think you have some overlap in your viewpoints.

I enjoy reading his posts.

Non skinny "big" muscle is dead weight in races 1500 and up. How much muscle do you need to run 55s 400 pace? Not much.

Can you paste a link where they are described as “strong aerobically” as you first asserted

I feel like there’s a bit of a stereotype of that skin and bones guy that can’t crack a sub 60 400m but still has like 4:20 sub 15:00 speed

I also think muscle mass primarily helps with endurance only through a mile maybe 2 after that anything extra is a hinderence.

I get where you’re coming from tho you have guys like TAS who can run a sub 50 400m while being quite lacking in mass while someone like me has to put on 10 lbs of leg mass and sacrifice endurance to do that.

LeMaitre was destroying everyone in the 100/200 and was said to be snatching only 60% of his bodyweight. Noah Lyles looks like a stick compared to others but he also smokes the big, massive, muscular sprinters who squat 2.5x their body weight and power clean 2x their body weight regularly in the gym. Weight room strength does not imply sprint speed, otherwise power lifters would be quite good in sprints.

And then you have people like Solinsky who almost look like sprinters running sub 27 10k's.

Don't be fooled by appearance, there is a reason the only true way to find out exactly how slow-twitch/fast-twitch someone is is a muscle biopsy.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

Don't be fooled by appearance, there is a reason the only true way to find out exactly how slow-twitch/fast-twitch someone is is a muscle biopsy.

Good point.

Actually you can measure it by certain types of spectroscopy. But I'm just being pedantic there, as I didn't like your post on weed.

Personally I would prefer the less ridiculous methods, like... IDK... vertical jump?

Since very fit skinny runners indnicate that they are more to the slow twitch muscle (ST) fibre type and that ST-fibers are designed to have high aerobical endurance. ST fibres are lean, the opposite Fast twitch FT fibres have larger cross section and thus the muscles of more FT type people get bigger when the FT fibres are trained.

It is not impossible to run long distance with more FT type, but it is kind of impossible to be really fast in short distance when you "only" have ST fibres.

Watching the build of the elite runners in different distances indicates what is in the optimal range for that distance. Also in the longer distances, the weight of the runner has an increasinig effect, since carrying more weight will need more work and energy used.

So there is an explainable and higher correlation between skinny and endurance as there is for muscular and fast

Yes. Maybe Pre shoulda been a cyclist and put his high VO2 max to better use? But Cycling in the US was underdeveloped back then. In the 80s talent identification went up a notch or three for US Cycling.

Elite Cyclists definitely do have a naturally higher oxygen uptake than Elite Runners. And XC Skiers, higher still.

Sounds like someone is trying to get out of running extra miles.

Pre blew up in Munich because he did too much front running and then wasted too much energy with an ill timed surge on the back stretch of the last lap. He was clearly gassed coming around the last turn and could not sprint with Viren et al. Pacing matters.

High mileage training causes adaptations in runners of all sizes. Muscle get lighter and the aerobic system gains capacity with improved O2 flow in the capillary beds.

Having a winning kick is a combination of the adaptations of high milegae training and the more specific speed and sprint training.

Pre was a pretty average build for a distance runner. 5'9" and not an especially light frame. Viren was a bit more of an outlier at 5'11", but was pretty boney. I think Pre would have been able to dust Viren if he sat on him until the last 200m. Pre had better sprint turnover and would have won if he was shoulder to shoulder with Viren and 100m to go.

I have a better question: I want to know what you guys who like the skinny waifs grab onto during sex with them? No butt. No boobs. I mean, it's almost like a young boy with a vagina and not an actual female.