Gwen Jorgensen Prickly Pear 3k - Um What

With that lack of speed she has to go back to tris or be an absolute also ran in the running world.

This is why quigley left

When I saw her result I had a flashback to sitting at the dinner table in 2003 with American Idol on TV and Randy Jackson is saying “I love you dawg, but...” You get the gist.

What does Quigley leaving have to do with Gwen's speed or lack thereof?

She will never go back to the triathlon grind. I'm assuming she isrunning for the love of the sport and not for financial gain. I'm sure she would be welcomed as a commentator for the Olympics or something. That Olympic gold goes a long way.

Gwen made some money ! That’s good . Yea her track performances are pretty dismal but she still has marketability which, as discussed in great length on this crazy board . She is better on the roads maybe she should focus there . I think Bowerman is right by keeping her on the team . She is a good personality and adds a lot !

Hi Pat!

dr no wrote:

Gwen made some money ! That’s good . Yea her track performances are pretty dismal but she still has marketability which, as discussed in great length on this crazy board . She is better on the roads maybe she should focus there . I think Bowerman is right by keeping her on the team . She is a good personality and adds a lot !

SPNKY wrote:

What does Quigley leaving have to do with Gwen's speed or lack thereof?

Imagine wanting a contract that recognizes you for both your running achievements and social media presence, but you can't get it because some leech is being given money they don't deserve.

Stanley should be concerned about what kind of job his father needs to be looking because a resume for a stay-at-home dad and YouTube videographer may not attract much employable interest.

Pat's a white male so he'll be fine.

Supposedly Gwen is on a kit-only deal.

Ha ha about white male. Gets old quick. Gwen is an accountant if they need income.

SPNKY wrote:

What does Quigley leaving have to do with Gwen's speed or lack thereof?

So, it totally started when Quigley stopped following certain other girls on the team, like, on instagram and stuff ...

Gwen needs to leave Bowerman if she ever wants to run well. She has potential to be a solid runner. However, she is way overtraining with BTC. She’s much slower than the rest of the team but will try to hang with them in workouts. Seems like every day is a race and she is just running herself into the ground.

hdjsosjsjsh wrote:

Gwen needs to leave Bowerman if she ever wants to run well. She has potential to be a solid runner. However, she is way overtraining with BTC. She’s much slower than the rest of the team but will try to hang with them in workouts. Seems like every day is a race and she is just running herself into the ground.

Do you know how much Olympic triathletes train? She is training much less than what she did as pro-triathlete. The requirements for elite running performances are different than those for top-level triathlon performances. VO2MAX is much more important in running Mile-5k than in any triathlon event (even the sprint triathlon is a half-marathon).

The logical move for top-notch Olympic triathletes is to move up to the Ironman. Jorgensen wanted to save time and focus more on family life, which is fine but it was clear from the start she is not going to have any impact in running on a global stage. There are plenty of triathletes who have a successful career - Daniela Ryf, Anne Haug, Jan Frodeno, just to mention a few. None of them could compete in any individual discipline, but elite triathletes work extremely hard and are at a very high level in 3 sports - that's the key to success, to extend distance to Ironman and not to try and become a pro swimmer/cyclist/runner.

And no, her HS achievements while solid also don't mean she has the potential to be an Olympic runner.

How many races has she had this year? As far as I can tell this was her first race of the indoor season from her world athletics page. Also, last year she set a 3000 outdoors(as far as her indoor PB she was a second off it in this race) and 5000 PB (both indoors and outdoors). So what her rust buster was a little slow. Her best pure running event anyways is the 10k. Though I would like to see what her tri strength could do in some mountain races if she trained for it.

If you play attention to her videos you can sense her anxiety in the dialogue with her husband. The short, sharp responses to her husband when asked questions.

Covid doesn't help but I just wonder if her degrading performances are hiding the tension with her family. I mention the family bit because it could become a feedback loop where a degrading performances negatively affect her relationship with her husband. This then then further negates her performances and so on.

I hope they have a financial exit plan because her athlete window is closing before our eyes as her youtube videos progress.

She ran the 19th best 10k by an American last year and that is her best event? She will get lapped at the trials by the 3rd qualifier.

Old Man Runners wrote:

If you play attention to her videos you can sense her anxiety in the dialogue with her husband. The short, sharp responses to her husband when asked questions.

Covid doesn't help but I just wonder if her degrading performances are hiding the tension with her family. I mention the family bit because it could become a feedback loop where a degrading performances negatively affect her relationship with her husband. This then then further negates her performances and so on.

I hope they have a financial exit plan because her athlete window is closing before our eyes as her youtube videos progress.

I don't think so. For me, this is a clear case of bad career-planning - she wanted to save time, lead a happy family life and still be an Olympic athlete competing for medals. So she had to stop the "tri grind" (which is 30-40 hours/week, pure training hours) and try running with 10-12 hour pure training hours (running + strength).

But after getting a child, do you really think she has the same hunger and motivation to succeed? In a new discipline that she was never truly elite at? Staying in triathlon, and working her way back up to the top could have worked. Or switching to Ironman. But trying to light the running world on fire was doomed from the start. Her marathons were a joke. Some solid performances like the 10000m but overall nothing that indicates even the possibility of making an Olympic team, and I'm not even gonna talk about her original goal of Olympic Gold in a running discipline.

Someone said the training is too intense for her, and she should train easier. You think that will make her make the Olympic team? To train less than others who got the same goal? She either tries the training and breaks down, or she has no chance at all. Might as well quit the sport then and do something else for a living, than stay a shadow of former self forever.

The most important thing to remember about Gwen is that her success in a small niche in life made her arrogant enough to believe she could enjoy the same level of success in anything she put her mind to. This is called hubris.