Soles will resign at Great Oak and leave California

yeah by the looks of this and how much you’ve posted on here you are not only being a wimp because you’re making these statements anonymously to spread rumors throughout the running community but also going out of your way to ignore any positive thing someone posts against your argument. like i said before every kid has a different experience just cause your a poc who didnt get your way doesn’t mean you can scream ‘racist’ at whoever you think was a problem how about instead of just accusing you provide proof because in a court of law someone wont get charged just cause you say he’s racist. you cant just call someone a liar and have that be proof. get a brain or get a life and stop crying about it on lets run

Hard to believe that these coaches didn't receive the kind of community and local support any one of us could only dream of. All this now ending because of some hashtags on social media? When the going gets tough, the tough quit.

....so are you saying it was "just a hastag" is not something to heed? Are you saying that it could be then interpreted to be an empty threat?

Do you have evidence that SC' had little or no intent to follow up on his public declaration of "#retaliation# or "#lawsuit coming"? Do you believe it was an empty threat then?

Yes. I'm saying "just a hashtag" is not a good enough reason to blow up one of the premier programs in the nation, and suddenly quit on an extremely dedicated group of kids and families facing the adversity of the current situation. IMHO

You are absonutely right in the assessment of the runners being a dedicated group, and families affected also. Looking at their record, I 100% agree with you.

To say that it's a cowardly move to leave is defamation. Then there is the poster who says "good riddance to a Trump suppoerter". Prejudice against beliefs for assumptions of character is defamationas well. Public defamation is VERY effective for getting rid of people. Not admissable in a court of law, but effective in ruining a career.

I had a manager about a decade ago; i was a new hire and the day I met her, she slapped me up side the head and told me to change my hair style. I did. She ridiculed me for my weight, but I couldn't change that. She's send fake clients of her friends in to log complaints. Two years she tried to get me fired by public defamation, but my sales #s did not warrant termination. I k ew she was out to sue me any way she could. When I could get out of that relentless boobytrap, I did. My team was helpless to get her to quit defaming me. My direct manager even handed me a severe write-up from her, with a story on it that he knew never happened. He said, "sorry, sign or walk; nothi g I can do. You're barred from ever moving up in this company because of this lie". I left when I could, as soon after.

I choose to honor CS's anger, and stated intent, everone has the right to their opinion and the right to voice it. To say otherwise you marginalize the voice of a POC, and if you chose to do so, I would hope other POC wouldn't be subjected to your same dismissal. That is true racism- to discredit the voices; "just a hastag" is only a part of CS's public statement but if he included hastags, he did it for a purpose and I respect CS.

If I were DS, there is no way on God's green earth I stay around in a boobytrapped environment. No reasonable person would.

justarunner97 wrote:

yeah by the looks of this and how much you’ve posted on here you are not only being a wimp because you’re making these statements anonymously to spread rumors throughout the running community but also going out of your way to ignore any positive thing someone posts against your argument. like i said before every kid has a different experience just cause your a poc who didnt get your way doesn’t mean you can scream ‘racist’ at whoever you think was a problem how about instead of just accusing you provide proof because in a court of law someone wont get charged just cause you say he’s racist. you cant just call someone a liar and have that be proof. get a brain or get a life and stop crying about it on lets run

What are you talking about? I started this thread because I'm happy he's leaving because I think he's an idiot and he likes Trump so that makes me hate him even more. I didn't even know about any of these allegations when I made this thread, I posted the Milesplit article that announced him leaving. I had absolutely nothing to do with whatever it is you think I had something to do with. All the idiots on here and their conspiracy theories that I am Gary or Cecil or someone out to get Soles. None of the above. I just saw that he was leaving and said Good riddance Trumptard! LRC is terrible about editing threads so they lose all context. It's really a shame that they do this, there was nothing I said that should have been edited.

56112runfast wrote:

So why would DS stick around? Sounds like he has respect for CS's intent to retaliate.

"#retaliation" is a complaint about DS's retaliation in the wake of whistleblowing, not a threat.

I have not read a thing about any retaliation on the part of DS. Are you interpreting on behalf of CS? What qualifies you to say it was potential retaliation from DS? Or, are you CS?

I stand by the people have a right to complaint and a right to have their voice heard, respected and taned credibly.

If CS actually had evidence, there would already be litigation against DS. But I donbekieve for a minute that there was any discrimination or racism from DS or his staff- that evidence would be used. And, no I don't believe for a minute that racists can hide their prejudice for 17 years. It would have come out a long time ago, among thousands and thousands pf parents watching for theur kids' day in the sun.

Listen to CS. Take him seriously. If CS has a case, DS gets served.

That's just what retaliation means in a civil rights complaint. It's far-fetched to interpret it as "I'm gonna get you."

...and then you called him a racist. even rojo noticed.

so you hate him because he likes trump, and then you call him a racist.

what kind of person are you?

what kind of society thinks this behaviour is acceptable?

"Retaliation means a civil rights complaint": in another reply I have posted how incredibly seccessful a broad-reaching public defamation campaign is.

As far as is known CS has not filed any legal action against DS, be it civil rights, discrimination, or whatever. I suspect CS could get pro bono legal representation in a "#racism" case like this, against a person in a national-level spotlight. But, there is no lawsuit as we know. That likely means that at this point the clearly enraged and motivated CS does not have the evidence, for example: numbler, times and stats of his athlete's performance, dates and events/meets his athlete clearly qualified to be entered into competition but was omitted, missed opportunity to have high level competition results at x, y, z, location and dates of competition, and $$ scholarship not earned due to no results to show recruiters, plus "emotional damages" = suing for an award of $375K or myriad alternate scenarios that show facts, dates, wittnesses. That collection of data would be picked up and utilized by legal representation in a heartbeat.

But, I can't find report of a lawsuit. So CS is voicing online, which is in this era, a universally recognized form of communication. He has a right to do that. The consequence though, it that CS's anti-DS public defamation campaign becomes a an open-water, no rules, destructive machine, and it's free and easily accessible to CS. These public defamation campaigns are very effective: look at how long, arduous trials ending in "no guilty verdict" have still managed severly to polarize the US population when tweets, facecebook, and other social media are utilized, unchecked and unfiltered, by numerous political figures.

The collateral damage of the public defamation campaign, started by the other person named "Gary" is the the destruction of the school running program.

Gary and CS might very well have legitimate charges. If they whould have gone through only through the court or school district for their complaints/grievances, 1) all parties would have immediately had legal protections against retaliation (or "#retaliation" as interpreted) via instruments such as cease and desist letters, restraining orders, gag orders, etc. (Although people don't always adhere to those instruments, there is still reprimand possible if reported to investigators.) 2) upon decision of court or school district, if SD had been found guilty of wrongdoing, the team would have still been subject to loss of coach, but the world would know it was for "x, y, z" wrongdoing.

As it stands now, the public defamation campaign, with no rules, no boundaries, no protections for anyone, no timelines for ending, such as a ruling or verdict, and the resulting scorched earth due to the nature of such campaigns, is what caused the sudden destruction of this running team. There is no way to protect the athletes, coaches, or conflicting parties in a no-rules public defamation campaign.

What you put in quotes is not what I typed. In a civil rights/whistleblowing context [regardless of whether any legal action is taken], retaliation almost always refers to unjust retaliation against the person making the complaint. Interpreting the utterance of the word by CS as a threat to DS and his family is ludicrous.

That said, I don't think the case should be litigated on the internet. I suspect anyone with a complaint is content to know the DS is leaving. And I suspect that DS will tell his side of the story at some point if he thinks he has been treated unfairly, or that he will sue for libel if he can prove the allegations to be false.

I fiund an article that says 4 of the top 14 graduates last year went to Cal Berkeley, which is unquestionable not a pro-Trumper friendly university. How does that fit in with the "glad that pro-Trumper" is gone? How does that show the detriment to the athletes due to DS political beliefs?

I agree with you that this should not be litigated on the internet.

What I see, at the end of all of this is loss for the athletes. I am more sad than angry.

Looking at the school team website, it looks like they had an amazing opportunity over the years, and it has been destroyed by adults saying "#defamation" and "glad he's gone.

I won't rehash a lot of what has already been stated, but as a former high school coach and teacher, at some point, no matter how successful you have been, you reach a breaking point.

There has definitely been a significant increase in parents seeking out club coaches, regardless of their reputation or qualifications, because they believe that a coach they are paying must be superior to the school district's coach of choice. In addition, the ever present parent-coach is becoming more vocal and getting their way a lot more. If you're a knowledgable coach who continues to refine his craft and collaborate with others at clinics and throughout the year to develop improvements to training, you don't really need to have your student-athletes working with outside coaches or constantly being coached by coach-dad or coach-mom. Parents can be valuable assets to a program, when they're willing to be involved with every athlete (of course there will be a bias toward their own kid) and work to help the entire program. But my experience, and that of peers, is that this is becoming harder and harder.

In looking for different coaching opportunities, I interviewed with a number of solid state to national caliber programs that ended up hiring the parent of a current standout athlete. In one specific case, the parent(s) had been involved with the program the previous year, they had their children (plural) not training with the team regularly, and this all was dealt with during the interview (I was asked what I thought about parents asking for athletes to train on their own - I thought it was an interesting question after having just spoken about building teach cohesion and a positive team environment). To me, I wouldn't think AD's would want to hire off campus coaches who are looking to coach a program that involves their star child/children because of the short term nature of their tenure and the potential conflict of interest. Not all programs face this issue - the Hunters at Loudoun Valley have built an amazing program, not just coach their children. But that's more of the exception that proves the rule.

So how does this relate to Doug Soles? If you don't get district support, which too often capitulates to the loudest complaints of parents - warrented or not, then you begin to wonder if it's worth it. I know this is not Soles first issue with the district. He was vocal at an LA84 clinic in January or February of 2019 about a decision involving women athletics that he felt would hurt his participation numbers. Now, you have complaints on social media by a disgruntled parent calling him a racist. You see a state that is struggling in CA, a state that postponed fall athletics, and that is generally not consistent with your values, and you wonder how long you can continue to do what you love in the manner you believe is best for student-athlete development as well as your personal enjoyment. And if his kids are nearing high school age, better time to move now than do it later.

I know a lot of people might not understand it, but once you put tons of work in to build a national power and model program, if you feel things are occuring to hinder it significantly, and you're sick of the meddling outside coaches and parents, you wonder if it's worth the pain and frustration. Whether or not Soles is a racist or been discriminatory at GO no longer matters - his reputation is soiled. People on the internet will believe the accusations without proof. If he denies it - well of course, no racist will admit they were a racist. If he were acknowledge it well, then he gets burned at the stake either way. It's almost like the question, "When did you stop beating your wife."

Anyhow, if he wants to relocate, Carmel High School in Indiana, a program that was exceptionally successful prior Coach Ellington leaving in 2016, is looking for a new coach after Coach Dalton recently resigned. Perhaps the great state of Indiana would suit him better than California, and the long tradition of Carmel would make the transition easier.

Dairyland wrote:

What would be better would be for people to not overglorify high school running so that these kids don’t get burned out

Seriously. It is frigging high school running, not the second coming of Christ.

Any updates on this?

Isaac Cortes will take the lead at Great Oak High School. Great Oak's Doug Soles & Dan Noble in final coaching appearance at the school.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gKbJnD9ESY

Cortes is a Stanford Cardinal and finishing his master's degree at UC Riverside. At Stanford, Cortes was a 2019 NCAA Indoor Track All-American as part of runner-up team , USTFCCCA All-Academic (2019), 2017 Pac-12 Cross Country Team Champion

At Great Oak, Cortes won Southwestern League 800 title all four years, four-time CIF Southern Section Division I champion, winning both the 800 and 1,600 meters in 2015 and 2016, Ran 9:00.28 in the 3,200 at the 2016 Arcadia Invitational, Member of 4x1600 m relay that set national records in consecutive weeks, at Arcadia and Mt. SAC Relays, Helped lead Great Oak of Temecula to victory at the Nike Cross Nationals, earning the school's first national championship and became just the second male since 1923 to win California state titles in the 800m/880y and 1,600m/mile at the same meet.

Doug Soles have him an endorsement in PrepCalTrack video above.

Looks like the new coach is Tammy Draughon

Bruh I’m a republican, but moving out to another state is too much like what