Official LRC President Joseph R Biden Thread

Ha mbo wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

So you make this spectacular claim but you won't back it up with any actual information.

You aren't the first person to say Christianity is a fraud because of X. But most people who do that are not afraid to tell you what X is. It seems to me that you lack the courage of your convictions.

On the other hand, I'm happy to share what I know. I'm happy to give my perspective and to be a witness to the saving grace of Jesus. And I'm also happy to listen to the perspective of others.

Perhaps you should reconsider which one of us is living in a bubble.

😂😂😂it’s not a spectacular claim. There is a wealth of info on this. I told you to get out of your comfort zone and do your research. I knew you wouldn’t because you are afraid of what you may find out. I even gave you some starting points. Some more would be reading and understanding the authors of gospels left out or removed from the bible. The history and evolution of the gospels that remain in today’s - sort of - bible. Not saying Christianity is a fraud. Do your research and open your mind or stay in your bubble. I don’t care. 😂😂😂😂😂

I must have struck a nerve here. 😂There’s a little piece of you that is curious about the truth. You’re just afraid of what will happen if you open your mind. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 btw how did you trust what is in the Bible? 😂😂😂

Fat hurts wrote:

Ha mbo wrote:

😂😂😂it’s not a spectacular claim. There is a wealth of info on this. I told you to get out of your comfort zone and do your research. I knew you wouldn’t because you are afraid of what you may find out. I even gave you some starting points. Some more would be reading and understanding the authors of gospels left out or removed from the bible. The history and evolution of the gospels that remain in today’s - sort of - bible. Not saying Christianity is a fraud. Do your research and open your mind or stay in your bubble. I don’t care. 😂😂😂😂😂

I must have struck a nerve here. 😂There’s a little piece of you that is curious about the truth. You’re just afraid of what will happen if you open your mind. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 btw how did you trust what is in the Bible? 😂😂😂

Dude, I've studied that stuff. I've read some of the so-called "heretical" gospels. I know all about variants of Paul's epistles. I've studied the documentary hypothesis. I understand about various lost sources. I know the history of the cannon and the debates about it which continue to rage on.

What you have failed to do is link any of that stuff to your claim that "The bible was put together for control, power, and wealth. This usage continues to this day."

And since you can't explain it, I can only assume that you don't know what you are talking about.

Ha mbo wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Dude, I've studied that stuff. I've read some of the so-called "heretical" gospels. I know all about variants of Paul's epistles. I've studied the documentary hypothesis. I understand about various lost sources. I know the history of the cannon and the debates about it which continue to rage on.

What you have failed to do is link any of that stuff to your claim that "The bible was put together for control, power, and wealth. This usage continues to this day."

And since you can't explain it, I can only assume that you don't know what you are talking about.

You’re either lying or you only “studied” from a single biased point of view. Otherwise we wouldn’t be having this conversation. 👎👎👎👎👎

I’ll just pick one. If you’ve actually studied the history of the Bible I’ll pick a softball for you. Tell me about the origin of Paul’s letters and how they evolved over time? Your answers will tell me whether you “studied” them at all. I’ll be waiting. 😂😂😂😂😂

Take your blinders off. Research the items I listed - those are just a few. I get that you don’t want to even open your mind. Your world view will change. Until then you will continue to live in your childlike Sunday school fantasy world. 🙈🙈🙈🙈

Flagpole wrote:

Real Obvi wrote:

You've been fooled by FP, version 1.0. He is NEVER willing to admit meaningful error. He has made HUGE errors on many occasions which he never admits to. It is ONLY for his own holiness credentials that he routinely admits to utterly trivial errors such as misplacing a comma and the like.

I'll take FP, version 2.0 any day of the week. At least he shows some intelligence at times.

INCORRECT! I admit fault at all times when I am in fact at fault. ALWAYS and without exception. Even your example is wrong. The vast majority of the time when I "apologize unreservedly", it is no joke and is admittance of being wrong about something that is not trivial.

I DO agree that I show "intelligence at times", but that is ONLY because it is not my goal to show it ever. I am ALWAYS intelligent, for that is a trait that is unwavering. Sometimes I write silly things that are not intended to be taken as intelligent. Most of the time, I just comment about the topic at hand, and NEVER do I TRY to "show intelligence". I just AM intelligent, so when I comment seriously about a topic, that is seen.

Fat hurts wrote:

The traditional view is that Paul wrote all the "Pauline" epistles. They were copied and distributed to a wider audience. Some were lost, but all those that survived made it into the cannon.

However, modern scholarship questions whether all of the Pauline epistles were actually written by Paul. But even the most liberal scholars will tell you that of all books in the Bible, Paul's letters tend to be the most reliable in terms of authorship. That is, we are more sure of the authorship of most of the Pauline epistles than other books of the Bible.

Furthermore, it is known that the copies of the epistles have evolved. Some evolution happened through transcription error. Some probably happened by editors who wanted to emphasize or de-emphasize a particular point. And since we don't have the original copies, scholars are left to consider what they believe are the oldest and most reliable known copies to try to work out the exact text in its original form.

Then we have the issue of translation. Scholars debate the proper translation of the text and sometimes these translation issues can be quite consequential to its meaning.

I could go on, but I take it that this is what you were getting at.

So now it's your turn. Tell me how any of that means, "The bible was put together for control, power, and wealth. This usage continues to this day."

Real Obvi wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

The traditional view is that Paul wrote all the "Pauline" epistles. They were copied and distributed to a wider audience. Some were lost, but all those that survived made it into the cannon.

However, modern scholarship questions whether all of the Pauline epistles were actually written by Paul. But even the most liberal scholars will tell you that of all books in the Bible, Paul's letters tend to be the most reliable in terms of authorship. That is, we are more sure of the authorship of most of the Pauline epistles than other books of the Bible.

Furthermore, it is known that the copies of the epistles have evolved. Some evolution happened through transcription error. Some probably happened by editors who wanted to emphasize or de-emphasize a particular point. And since we don't have the original copies, scholars are left to consider what they believe are the oldest and most reliable known copies to try to work out the exact text in its original form.

Then we have the issue of translation. Scholars debate the proper translation of the text and sometimes these translation issues can be quite consequential to its meaning.

I could go on, but I take it that this is what you were getting at.

So now it's your turn. Tell me how any of that means, "The bible was put together for control, power, and wealth. This usage continues to this day."

You have repeatedly used the word "cannon". I believe that you mean "canon".

Fat hurts wrote:

Ha mbo wrote:

You’re either lying or you only “studied” from a single biased point of view. Otherwise we wouldn’t be having this conversation. 👎👎👎👎👎

I’ll just pick one. If you’ve actually studied the history of the Bible I’ll pick a softball for you. Tell me about the origin of Paul’s letters and how they evolved over time? Your answers will tell me whether you “studied” them at all. I’ll be waiting. 😂😂😂😂😂

Take your blinders off. Research the items I listed - those are just a few. I get that you don’t want to even open your mind. Your world view will change. Until then you will continue to live in your childlike Sunday school fantasy world. 🙈🙈🙈🙈

The traditional view is that Paul wrote all the "Pauline" epistles. They were copied and distributed to a wider audience. Some were lost, but all those that survived made it into the cannon.

However, modern scholarship questions whether all of the Pauline epistles were actually written by Paul. But even the most liberal scholars will tell you that of all books in the Bible, Paul's letters tend to be the most reliable in terms of authorship. That is, we are more sure of the authorship of most of the Pauline epistles than other books of the Bible.

Furthermore, it is known that the copies of the epistles have evolved. Some evolution happened through transcription error. Some probably happened by editors who wanted to emphasize or de-emphasize a particular point. And since we don't have the original copies, scholars are left to consider what they believe are the oldest and most reliable known copies to try to work out the exact text in its original form.

Then we have the issue of translation. Scholars debate the proper translation of the text and sometimes these translation issues can be quite consequential to its meaning.

I could go on, but I take it that this is what you were getting at.

So now it's your turn. Tell me how any of that means, "The bible was put together for control, power, and wealth. This usage continues to this day."