Wow. TV actor Tucker Carlson exposes weird, racist writings by Joe Biden's Assistant AG nominee.

trashcan wrote:

My general view on early indiscretions is

1) how serious was it and

2) has the person behaved in a way that suggests that they have changed (as opposed to getting more sophisticated about advancing their old perspective)

If someone used black face, and spends their career acting ina way that most blacks see as diminishing their rights, I consider them fundamentally unrepentant.

I don’t think this is the most serious of issues, but I am not at all convinced that her fundamental outlook has changed.

It seems like Kristen Clarke has been working to advance most blacks expressed wishes. Generally speaking I would approve, but with this letter, I have concerns that she is fundamentally unrepentant. This is particularly problematic given the job she is in line for. I think the civil right division would be better served by a different head.

Oh, and the Bell Curve is garbage.

counter point wrote:

trashcan wrote:

My general view on early indiscretions is

1) how serious was it and

2) has the person behaved in a way that suggests that they have changed (as opposed to getting more sophisticated about advancing their old perspective)

If someone used black face, and spends their career acting ina way that most blacks see as diminishing their rights, I consider them fundamentally unrepentant.

I don’t think this is the most serious of issues, but I am not at all convinced that her fundamental outlook has changed.

It seems like Kristen Clarke has been working to advance most blacks expressed wishes. Generally speaking I would approve, but with this letter, I have concerns that she is fundamentally unrepentant. This is particularly problematic given the job she is in line for. I think the civil right division would be better served by a different head.

Oh, and the Bell Curve is garbage.

Long story short. She is on my team and I support her even though she is a blatant racist. Once again, you are using a black person to advance your agenda.

I am Sam wrote:

Xaveaux Barbeau wrote:

He says all that without realizing the irony.

I suspect a lot of Woke liberals are just as racist as they ever were - here, we have Woke that is a clear anti-semite - and its really only black people they are "woke" about.

bangdingow wrote:

^ he hate da joos, eh

browski wrote:

wow. Not a big fan of us Jews, are you?

There we go, straight on cue to the 'anti-semite- card, shut down the argument without any counter point.

It is irrelevant that I can list family experiences of what I posted, nor that I discuss these same things with Jewish guys that are amongst my best friends.

We can have a debate you know. I won't give an opinion, rather just list examples.

It just so happens that having no traceable heritage on my part, in one moment I may lament that " it would have been great if we belonged to a tight heritage that 'looks after each other'", then I say "nah, that is what makes it easier for me to judge people on nothing other than who they are"...., no 'where do you live, what car do you drive, what do you do for work' before dismissing them as a pleb.

Anyway...cue on

The Unkle wrote:

I am Sam wrote:

There we go, straight on cue to the 'anti-semite- card, shut down the argument without any counter point.

It is irrelevant that I can list family experiences of what I posted, nor that I discuss these same things with Jewish guys that are amongst my best friends.

We can have a debate you know. I won't give an opinion, rather just list examples.

It just so happens that having no traceable heritage on my part, in one moment I may lament that " it would have been great if we belonged to a tight heritage that 'looks after each other'", then I say "nah, that is what makes it easier for me to judge people on nothing other than who they are"...., no 'where do you live, what car do you drive, what do you do for work' before dismissing them as a pleb.

Anyway...cue on

Media finally got around to calling the Capitol protest anti-Semitic. Took them nearly a week. They are falling down on the job

Precious Roy wrote:

Xaveaux Barbeau wrote:

Now you're just massively exaggerating and whining. The Bell Curve is one of the most "canceled" books there is - up there with Mearsheimer's The Israel Lobby - criticized nearly everywhere, and the authors have limited chances to defend it. The Bell Curve has been criticized in the media, intellectual circles, literary circles and in politics, since the day it came out. I've never heard of a single instance where someone criticizing the Bell Curve was "canceled." They are usually spotlighted and given broad audiences. It's fashionable to bash the Bell Curve.

Kristen Clarke's statements stand on their own. The Bell Curve has nothing to do with her statements. Twisting this around and making highly ironic allegations of racism against her, like you are doing, is absurd and hypocritical (and unfortunately, predictable).

Her letter is a direct response to people who were defending the Bell Curve. Her letter would not exist without the Bell Curve.

Precious Roy wrote:

If you actually read what she wrote instead of quoting her out of context, you would see that she is not saying that black people are superior to any other race. She is actually saying that the Bell Curve is wrong because of her melatonin argument. The melatonin argument is an attempt to refute the "brain science" in the Bell Curve and not an independent effort to establish that black people are a superior race. The only way you can make that letter about black racism is if you pick a single sentence out and forget about the context.

Xaveaux Barbeau wrote:

Precious Roy wrote:

Her letter is a direct response to people who were defending the Bell Curve. Her letter would not exist without the Bell Curve.

You're being absurd. One could make the point that most things committed to writing are in response to something else, and would not exist without that something else. What possible difference does it make that she was "responding" to something? If someone wrote the Bell Curve in response to a book on melanin race theory, would that absolve the Bell Curve? You could excuse almost anything anyone has ever said using your logic. Most of the people banned from a message boards could say their ban-worthy comments wouldn't exist without the threads or the posts they were responding to.

Precious Roy wrote:

If you actually read what she wrote instead of quoting her out of context, you would see that she is not saying that black people are superior to any other race. She is actually saying that the Bell Curve is wrong because of her melatonin argument. The melatonin argument is an attempt to refute the "brain science" in the Bell Curve and not an independent effort to establish that black people are a superior race. The only way you can make that letter about black racism is if you pick a single sentence out and forget about the context.

Yes she was saying that black people are superior. Here it is, bolded for you once again: "Melanin endows Blacks with greater mental, physical and spiritual abilities---something which cannot be measured based on Eurocentric standards." That's what she wrote, and your sentence trying to contrast "refuting" something versus "independent effort" is, again, meaningless and illogical (and you know it).

And what is becoming clear is that the one who hasn't actually read what they are trying to talk about is YOU. You have clearly never read the very book you are criticizing, or even read a decent summary of it. At the risk of doing what your friend Harambo wants and turning this thread into a discussion of the Bell Curve book, there is no "'brain science' in the Bell Curve" as you are referring to it. There is no discussion whatsoever of chemical or biological processes in the brain, for any reason or in support of any theory. There is absolutely nothing in the Bell Curve that is refuted in any way by the melanin race theory argued by Kristen Clarke.

And while I did pick a single sentence out of Clarke's letter to make a point, because that's what one does on a message board, I did read all of Clarke's letter (unlike you) and I did not take ANY of it out of context. I could have easily picked out an entire set of FIVE paragraphs (half the letter), as they are ALL in the same context. She led off her letter with them and here they are:

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"One: Dr. Richard King reveals that at the core of the human brain is the "locus coeruleus" which is a structure that is Black because it contains large amounts of (neuro) melanin which is essential for its operation.

Two: Black infants sit, stand, crawl and walk sooner than whites.

Three: Carol Barnes notes that human mental processes are controlled by melanin--that same chemical which gives Blacks their superior physical and mental abilities.

Four: Some scientists have revealed that most whites are unable to produce melanin because their pineal glands are often calcification or non-functioning. Pineal calcification rates with Africans are five to 15 percent, Asians 15 to 25 percent and Europeans 60 to 80 percent. This is the chemical basis for the cultural differences between Blacks and whites.

Five: Melanin endows Blacks with greater mental, physical and spiritual abilities--something which cannot be measured based on Eurocentric standards."

-----

You're upset about Tucker Carlson, and that's understandable. We all know Tucker Carlson is a hypocrite who won't take a principled approach to anything. But we now know the same is true of you, at least with respect to racial issues. You are a hypocrite who will make up strained arguments to excuse and explain away behavior by liberals that you would condemn if they were not liberals.

Precious Roy wrote:

Xaveaux Barbeau wrote:

You're being absurd. One could make the point that most things committed to writing are in response to something else, and would not exist without that something else. What possible difference does it make that she was "responding" to something? If someone wrote the Bell Curve in response to a book on melanin race theory, would that absolve the Bell Curve? You could excuse almost anything anyone has ever said using your logic. Most of the people banned from a message boards could say their ban-worthy comments wouldn't exist without the threads or the posts they were responding to.

Yes she was saying that black people are superior. Here it is, bolded for you once again: "Melanin endows Blacks with greater mental, physical and spiritual abilities---something which cannot be measured based on Eurocentric standards." That's what she wrote, and your sentence trying to contrast "refuting" something versus "independent effort" is, again, meaningless and illogical (and you know it).

And what is becoming clear is that the one who hasn't actually read what they are trying to talk about is YOU. You have clearly never read the very book you are criticizing, or even read a decent summary of it. At the risk of doing what your friend Harambo wants and turning this thread into a discussion of the Bell Curve book, there is no "'brain science' in the Bell Curve" as you are referring to it. There is no discussion whatsoever of chemical or biological processes in the brain, for any reason or in support of any theory. There is absolutely nothing in the Bell Curve that is refuted in any way by the melanin race theory argued by Kristen Clarke.

And while I did pick a single sentence out of Clarke's letter to make a point, because that's what one does on a message board, I did read all of Clarke's letter (unlike you) and I did not take ANY of it out of context. I could have easily picked out an entire set of FIVE paragraphs (half the letter), as they are ALL in the same context. She led off her letter with them and here they are:

-----

"One: Dr. Richard King reveals that at the core of the human brain is the "locus coeruleus" which is a structure that is Black because it contains large amounts of (neuro) melanin which is essential for its operation.

Two: Black infants sit, stand, crawl and walk sooner than whites.

Three: Carol Barnes notes that human mental processes are controlled by melanin--that same chemical which gives Blacks their superior physical and mental abilities.

Four: Some scientists have revealed that most whites are unable to produce melanin because their pineal glands are often calcification or non-functioning. Pineal calcification rates with Africans are five to 15 percent, Asians 15 to 25 percent and Europeans 60 to 80 percent. This is the chemical basis for the cultural differences between Blacks and whites.

Five: Melanin endows Blacks with greater mental, physical and spiritual abilities--something which cannot be measured based on Eurocentric standards."

-----

You're upset about Tucker Carlson, and that's understandable. We all know Tucker Carlson is a hypocrite who won't take a principled approach to anything. But we now know the same is true of you, at least with respect to racial issues. You are a hypocrite who will make up strained arguments to excuse and explain away behavior by liberals that you would condemn if they were not liberals.

And I presume you have standing because you have been outspoken in calling out racism in the Trump administration over the past 4 years, right? Or is it that you only jump up and down when a successful and talented black person says something 26 years ago that taken out of context and without regard for what was meant can be twisted into a claim of black supremacy?

And lets get real here. Is there really a threat of black supremacy in US society? White racists have served openly in congress and the Trump administration. But suddenly we are sh$#tting bricks about black supremacy? Where was the racism litmus test when Trump was pushing through all of his racist nominees? Or is it that this woman isn't racist at all and this is just a pretext to keep a successful black woman from being appointed to a powerful position?

It is actually racist to say that this woman has to be banned from public life just because she tried to fight back against the racist Bell Curve in college with her own arguments about race science. That is essentially saying that only the white racists can make arguments about race science. People of color cannot fire back because they would then be racists. And then to claim that she has to publicly disavow something she wrote as a college student 26 years ago to be given the chance at serving in a position that has been historically held by white people.

Xaveaux Barbeau wrote:

Precious Roy wrote:

Her letter is a direct response to people who were defending the Bell Curve. Her letter would not exist without the Bell Curve.

You're being absurd. One could make the point that most things committed to writing are in response to something else, and would not exist without that something else. What possible difference does it make that she was "responding" to something? If someone wrote the Bell Curve in response to a book on melanin race theory, would that absolve the Bell Curve? You could excuse almost anything anyone has ever said using your logic. Most of the people banned from a message boards could say their ban-worthy comments wouldn't exist without the threads or the posts they were responding to.

Precious Roy wrote:

If you actually read what she wrote instead of quoting her out of context, you would see that she is not saying that black people are superior to any other race. She is actually saying that the Bell Curve is wrong because of her melatonin argument. The melatonin argument is an attempt to refute the "brain science" in the Bell Curve and not an independent effort to establish that black people are a superior race. The only way you can make that letter about black racism is if you pick a single sentence out and forget about the context.

Yes she was saying that black people are superior. Here it is, bolded for you once again: "Melanin endows Blacks with greater mental, physical and spiritual abilities---something which cannot be measured based on Eurocentric standards." That's what she wrote, and your sentence trying to contrast "refuting" something versus "independent effort" is, again, meaningless and illogical (and you know it).

And what is becoming clear is that the one who hasn't actually read what they are trying to talk about is YOU. You have clearly never read the very book you are criticizing, or even read a decent summary of it. At the risk of doing what your friend Harambo wants and turning this thread into a discussion of the Bell Curve book, there is no "'brain science' in the Bell Curve" as you are referring to it. There is no discussion whatsoever of chemical or biological processes in the brain, for any reason or in support of any theory. There is absolutely nothing in the Bell Curve that is refuted in any way by the melanin race theory argued by Kristen Clarke.

And while I did pick a single sentence out of Clarke's letter to make a point, because that's what one does on a message board, I did read all of Clarke's letter (unlike you) and I did not take ANY of it out of context. I could have easily picked out an entire set of FIVE paragraphs (half the letter), as they are ALL in the same context. She led off her letter with them and here they are:

-----

"One: Dr. Richard King reveals that at the core of the human brain is the "locus coeruleus" which is a structure that is Black because it contains large amounts of (neuro) melanin which is essential for its operation.

Two: Black infants sit, stand, crawl and walk sooner than whites.

Three: Carol Barnes notes that human mental processes are controlled by melanin--that same chemical which gives Blacks their superior physical and mental abilities.

Four: Some scientists have revealed that most whites are unable to produce melanin because their pineal glands are often calcification or non-functioning. Pineal calcification rates with Africans are five to 15 percent, Asians 15 to 25 percent and Europeans 60 to 80 percent. This is the chemical basis for the cultural differences between Blacks and whites.

Five: Melanin endows Blacks with greater mental, physical and spiritual abilities--something which cannot be measured based on Eurocentric standards."

-----

You're upset about Tucker Carlson, and that's understandable. We all know Tucker Carlson is a hypocrite who won't take a principled approach to anything. But we now know the same is true of you, at least with respect to racial issues. You are a hypocrite who will make up strained arguments to excuse and explain away behavior by liberals that you would condemn if they were not liberals.

Precious Roy wrote:

Xaveaux Barbeau wrote:

You're being absurd. One could make the point that most things committed to writing are in response to something else, and would not exist without that something else. What possible difference does it make that she was "responding" to something? If someone wrote the Bell Curve in response to a book on melanin race theory, would that absolve the Bell Curve? You could excuse almost anything anyone has ever said using your logic. Most of the people banned from a message boards could say their ban-worthy comments wouldn't exist without the threads or the posts they were responding to.

Yes she was saying that black people are superior. Here it is, bolded for you once again: "Melanin endows Blacks with greater mental, physical and spiritual abilities---something which cannot be measured based on Eurocentric standards." That's what she wrote, and your sentence trying to contrast "refuting" something versus "independent effort" is, again, meaningless and illogical (and you know it).

And what is becoming clear is that the one who hasn't actually read what they are trying to talk about is YOU. You have clearly never read the very book you are criticizing, or even read a decent summary of it. At the risk of doing what your friend Harambo wants and turning this thread into a discussion of the Bell Curve book, there is no "'brain science' in the Bell Curve" as you are referring to it. There is no discussion whatsoever of chemical or biological processes in the brain, for any reason or in support of any theory. There is absolutely nothing in the Bell Curve that is refuted in any way by the melanin race theory argued by Kristen Clarke.

And while I did pick a single sentence out of Clarke's letter to make a point, because that's what one does on a message board, I did read all of Clarke's letter (unlike you) and I did not take ANY of it out of context. I could have easily picked out an entire set of FIVE paragraphs (half the letter), as they are ALL in the same context. She led off her letter with them and here they are:

-----

"One: Dr. Richard King reveals that at the core of the human brain is the "locus coeruleus" which is a structure that is Black because it contains large amounts of (neuro) melanin which is essential for its operation.

Two: Black infants sit, stand, crawl and walk sooner than whites.

Three: Carol Barnes notes that human mental processes are controlled by melanin--that same chemical which gives Blacks their superior physical and mental abilities.

Four: Some scientists have revealed that most whites are unable to produce melanin because their pineal glands are often calcification or non-functioning. Pineal calcification rates with Africans are five to 15 percent, Asians 15 to 25 percent and Europeans 60 to 80 percent. This is the chemical basis for the cultural differences between Blacks and whites.

Five: Melanin endows Blacks with greater mental, physical and spiritual abilities--something which cannot be measured based on Eurocentric standards."

-----

You're upset about Tucker Carlson, and that's understandable. We all know Tucker Carlson is a hypocrite who won't take a principled approach to anything. But we now know the same is true of you, at least with respect to racial issues. You are a hypocrite who will make up strained arguments to excuse and explain away behavior by liberals that you would condemn if they were not liberals.

And I presume you have standing because you have been outspoken in calling out racism in the Trump administration over the past 4 years, right? Or is it that you only jump up and down when a successful and talented black person says something 26 years ago that taken out of context and without regard for what was meant can be twisted into a claim of black supremacy?

Precious Roy wrote:

And lets get real here. Is there really a threat of black supremacy in US society?

Precious Roy wrote:

White racists have served openly in congress and the Trump administration. But suddenly we are sh$#tting bricks about black supremacy?

Precious Roy wrote:

Where was the racism litmus test when Trump was pushing through all of his racist nominees?

Precious Roy wrote:

Or is it that this woman isn't racist at all and this is just a pretext to keep a successful black woman from being appointed to a powerful position?

Precious Roy wrote:

It is actually racist to say that this woman has to be banned from public life just because she tried to fight back against the racist Bell Curve in college with her own arguments about race science. That is essentially saying that only the white racists can make arguments about race science. People of color cannot fire back because they would then be racists. And then to claim that she has to publicly disavow something she wrote as a college student 26 years ago to be given the chance at serving in a position that has been historically held by white people.