Graduate Transfers

12.6 scholarships means the school gets that much money... if full undergrad tuition and room and board at ND is 70k then they have 70k x 12.6... almost every undergrad will be getting some type of academic and need based aid so a 4.0 gpa kid with relatively poor parents on a full scholarship may only cost the department 35k after other aid is used.

Grad transfers can actually be cheaper depending on the program or school because some schools grad school tuition is actually cheaper than undergrad.

The upshot is if you recruit smart kids that get academic and FAFSA aid 12.6 scholarships could actually end up being 15-20 kids on a “full scholarship” but more likely 5-10 on a full and 10-15 on some type of partial scholarship.

So do grad students qualify for the same academic, merit and need based funding?

And I guess based on what I see a school like Arkansas doing, does that mean some schools have better terms on the academic, merit and need based funds?

Arkansas isn't winning XC or track titles recently so I wouldn't call them out as having the best terms.

Not sure the point of the thread was that Arkansas was great, it was to ask or provoke thought on how some schools seem to get more talent and do they have different policies or resources that allow them to add talent .

No.

just money wrote:

Grad transfers can actually be cheaper depending on the program or school because some schools grad school tuition is actually cheaper than undergrad.

Yes and no. The actual dollars might be less, but you use the grad school cost as the denominator in calculating equivalency.

So if undergrad athlete X is getting $50k and school costs $50k, that is 1.0 scholarships.

If grad athlete X is getting $40k, but grad school only costs $40k, this is 1.0 scholarships.

Many schools are not following the latter rule and might be counting it as 0.8 scholarship, as it's not in the NCAA rules, however the NCAA interpretation makes it very clear, it's similar to a school using in-state vs. out-of-state tuition.

Arkansas was known for fiddling around with Room and Board money back in the McDonnell days, finding cheap places to live, and giving rent checks that were less than full room and board (which is within the rules and a good way to save scholarship money, and athlete still kind of on a "full" even though they weren't technically on 1.0 scholarship...though the Kenyans are all being recruited with promise of the largest rent check, so those guys are on fulls) However, this was definitely manipulated, and can be manipulated through boosters and otherwise.

Arkansas also had the "Tyson Chicken" scholarships, Football Program Sales "jobs" and other ways they manipulated money. Whether they are still doing that, who knows. The new NCAA rules now don't count any institutional aid (any grants/scholarships from the school open to any other student), so Arkansas is likely manipulating this.