Timmy Treadwell wrote:
Notre Dame is a has-been program that annually feasts on weak programs like Army, Navy, Boston College.
I am no defender of Notre Dame, in fact I do not like them at all, but get your facts straight. They have only played Army 15 times in the last 55 years. And at one time, Notre Dame-Army was the game of the year in college football. They play Navy every year, this is true.
All of your posts are based on feelings that are not backed up by facts.
Why would you want 80 families to fly across the country in a pandemic to watch a game in a giant empty stadium? Television offers a better experience in just about every respect.
My feelings are facts.
So?
Real Dealer wrote:
Throwing out opinions and general statements does not build credibility. They do not need to join any conference. They have the largest fanbase in the country and they earn more money by not being in a conference. I challenge you to provide a schedule from one of the past few years and try to justify a team that should have been ranked ahead of them that was not. You are literally claiming that the rankers are dishonest or inept. I guess one LetsRun poster knows more than everyone else.
Eh? I don't think I ever mentioned rankings. I said they were a has-been program who feasts on weaker opponents. I stand by that. I'm looking at their 2019 schedule where they finished with two losses, one to a weak Michigan team. They beat up on some real crap programs like Bowling Green.
I understand they don't want to join a conference, but college football has changed and conference championships mean something now. I think they know they'd have trouble winning any conference championship. For example, if they were in the Big Ten East, I'd expect they'd have lost to Ohio State and Indiana this year, and perhaps another team as well.
Then they are smart not to join aren't they? It is all about the money.
In 2019 or maybe 2018, FiveThirtyEight looked at rankings (I think AP) over a couple of decades and found that over a couple of decades, Notre Dame was the team with by far the greatest average decline between its preseason ranking and its postseason ranking.
As for another poster's comments about the SEC and Clemson being overrated, over the last five years, Clemson and SEC teams have played 9 playoff games against non-SEC/Clemson teams and have won all nine. If you go back before the playoff system, SEC teams won seven straight BCS championship games before Auburn lost one. If that's too far back for you, SEC teams went 9-2 in bowl or playoff games last year.
MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:
The Irish are Watching You wrote:
They beat two of the top teams in the country playing only 5 games this season. I guess that you are free to live in a fantasy in your own head just because you don't like them, but don't spew lies here. Try to name 5 teams out of the 130 who should be ranked ahead of them. Typical LetsRun garbage. Sort of like saying some runner who is top 5 in the world is not that good because there are a few runners faster than them.
I absolutely can not stand Notre Dame....and what you said is exactly true. I watched their games against Clemson and North Carolina and this team is a legit top 5 team.
Though Clemson was without Trevor Lawrence (Covid) prompting Swinney to start a true freshman. That being said, ND barely beat them having to go into a 2nd OT.
College Football Wizzard wrote:
Though Clemson was without Trevor Lawrence (Covid) prompting Swinney to start a true freshman. That being said, ND barely beat them having to go into a 2nd OT.
Yeah...and that Notre Dame offense hung 47 points (33 in regulation) on Clemson's supposedly amazing defense and against supposedly the nations top D-Coordinator in Brent Venables..who makes almost $3 million a year as a Coordinator.
I understand Clemson was without Lawrence...and that Clemson started a true freshman...but don't act like hanging 47 against Clemson happens every day.
That being said, I do think Clemson wins the re-match.
MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:
College Football Wizzard wrote:
Though Clemson was without Trevor Lawrence (Covid) prompting Swinney to start a true freshman. That being said, ND barely beat them having to go into a 2nd OT.
Yeah...and that Notre Dame offense hung 47 points (33 in regulation) on Clemson's supposedly amazing defense and against supposedly the nations top D-Coordinator in Brent Venables..who makes almost $3 million a year as a Coordinator.
I understand Clemson was without Lawrence...and that Clemson started a true freshman...but don't act like hanging 47 against Clemson happens every day.
That being said, I do think Clemson wins the re-match.
Clemson was also missing two significant defensive players and handed ND a TD on offense with the Etienne fumble.
Lawrence will make a big difference as will the two defensive guys coming back. Clemson will win and likely by double digits.
Are the rankers good or bad? Are you saying that they under ranked Notre Dame at the end of the year?
dezyherbie wrote:
MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:
Yeah...and that Notre Dame offense hung 47 points (33 in regulation) on Clemson's supposedly amazing defense and against supposedly the nations top D-Coordinator in Brent Venables..who makes almost $3 million a year as a Coordinator.
I understand Clemson was without Lawrence...and that Clemson started a true freshman...but don't act like hanging 47 against Clemson happens every day.
That being said, I do think Clemson wins the re-match.
Clemson was also missing two significant defensive players and handed ND a TD on offense with the Etienne fumble.
Lawrence will make a big difference as will the two defensive guys coming back. Clemson will win and likely by double digits.
I will agree with that- and we see how far ND falls from their #2 current ranking.
It should be called the COLLEGE FOOTBALL INVITATIONAL because it is clearly a biased system that makes ZERO logical sense as far as selection of teams and rankings. FANS NEED TO BOYCOTT WATCHING A GAME THEN THEY MAY TAKE NOTICE AND CHANGE THE SCAM SYSTEM ONCE AGAIN. REMEMBER THE FRAUD BCS FROM BEFORE.
dezyherbie wrote:
Clemson was also missing two significant defensive players and handed ND a TD on offense with the Etienne fumble.
Lawrence will make a big difference as will the two defensive guys coming back. Clemson will win and likely by double digits.
And ND fumbled at 9" line or the game doesn't go to overtime. I wouldn't be shocked by clemson winning or ND winning again. I have no clue of ND or clemson played the best possible game, worst game, or an average one. It is hard to evaluate both programs as they have basically played like 2 hard games all year.
I will say that when ND is good, they serve a purpose of playing a bunch of cross conference games that few good schools do. For example next year they will face wisconsin (decent big 10 team), Cincinnati (would have been nice to see them play this year), and stanford/USC(yeah they are down but both tend to be contenders in the Pac10). Compare that to Alabama (Miami), Clemson (Georgia), or Ohio St (Oregon), Oklahoma (I guess Nebraska), Texas (nobody). It is hard to get a view on how good conferences are when they play cupcakes and conference games (are they all good or average). Of course the problem with all scheduling is that most programs are on cycles and if they are up when you face them is a bit of crap shoot.
JamesD2 wrote:
If that's too far back for you, SEC teams went 9-2 in bowl or playoff games last year.
What if we have slightly better memoriess and look at the post season records
2016 6-7
2017 5-5
2018 6-6
It is a sub .500 conference when you can't schedule FCS schools:) Clemson and Alabama have been the class of college football for the last 4-5 years. But after that their conferences get hit or miss in a hurry. Big 10 is the same way with Ohio St and everyone else. Those conferences tend to have 1 or 2 other schools that are good when things fall right (LSU gets a QB, Miami isn't suspending a dozen players,...). If you look at most top20 teams schedule at the end of the year and if they have played 4 games against teams ranked at the end of the year, it is a lot.
Why not explain how it makes no sense? That is a ridiculous statement. Maning zero sense would be having 4 teams in the playoffs with .500 records.
adsfdasfasfsafadfa wrote:
dezyherbie wrote:
Clemson was also missing two significant defensive players and handed ND a TD on offense with the Etienne fumble.
Lawrence will make a big difference as will the two defensive guys coming back. Clemson will win and likely by double digits.
And ND fumbled at 9" line or the game doesn't go to overtime. I wouldn't be shocked by clemson winning or ND winning again. I have no clue of ND or clemson played the best possible game, worst game, or an average one. It is hard to evaluate both programs as they have basically played like 2 hard games all year.
I will say that when ND is good, they serve a purpose of playing a bunch of cross conference games that few good schools do. For example next year they will face wisconsin (decent big 10 team), Cincinnati (would have been nice to see them play this year), and stanford/USC(yeah they are down but both tend to be contenders in the Pac10). Compare that to Alabama (Miami), Clemson (Georgia), or Ohio St (Oregon), Oklahoma (I guess Nebraska), Texas (nobody). It is hard to get a view on how good conferences are when they play cupcakes and conference games (are they all good or average). Of course the problem with all scheduling is that most programs are on cycles and if they are up when you face them is a bit of crap shoot.
How about this....ND is going to get their azz kicked.
The NCAA does NOT recognize a D1 football champion nor have any control over the current 'playoff.' The poster that called it an invitational is correct. It is the only sport at all three divisions the the NCAA does not name a champion (thanks to the historical power grab of the now outdated bowls).
Just view NCAA D1 football post season play as a reality TV series broadcast by ESPN to feed Mickey Mouse and it makes better sense.
Nobody will force any of you to watch the games.
Forget about the playoffs... so far, they're not playing in the ACC Championship game.