Fauci is full of baloney

Armstronglivs wrote:

Das Unkle wrote:

Do you have anything of substance to say or are you only here to enforce the official narrative?

I posted a study above by credible public health experts. But that will have passed you by, impelled as you are by the swirling mists of conspiracy and denial that you have concocted from like-minded lunatics on the internet.

Any thoughts of your own?

You believe with no questions asked in this pandemic that nobody can see except in the media and accept ridiculous lockdowns and mask wearing and have the ignorance to call others conspiracy theorists and lunatics? R U really that clueless?

I hate saying this here, but you are pretty delusional. First, you post a severely myopic opinion piece on data from a select number of nations; there are over 200+ nations in the world, just because you exclude the ones worse than the US does not make the US the worst. "You are your ilk"? You are a bigoted piece of trash sir.

Das Unkle wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

I posted a study above by credible public health experts. But that will have passed you by, impelled as you are by the swirling mists of conspiracy and denial that you have concocted from like-minded lunatics on the internet.

Any thoughts of your own?

You believe with no questions asked in this pandemic that nobody can see except in the media and accept ridiculous lockdowns and mask wearing and have the ignorance to call others conspiracy theorists and lunatics? R U really that clueless?

The irony. You are certifiable. But then over 70 million Americans did vote for the world's leading conspiracy theorist.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Das Unkle wrote:

Do you have anything of substance to say or are you only here to enforce the official narrative?

I posted a study above by credible public health experts. But that will have passed you by, impelled as you are by the swirling mists of conspiracy and denial that you have concocted from like-minded lunatics on the internet.

Not to mention your "study" you claim you have posted is just an opinion piece from a public policy think tank; it is not a research study of any credible kind, just spin doctered to make you feel good about your"fake science" religion.

And let me reiterate; you are a bigot.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

The data is irrefutable; the US is the worst nation in the world for the pandemic, leading in both deaths and infections. The US is 4% of the world's population yet accounts for over 20% of Covid deaths and infections. Covid denial, such as yours, is a major contributor to your nation's lamentable response to the pandemic. You and your ilk are a public menace.

I hate saying this here, but you are pretty delusional. First, you post a severely myopic opinion piece on data from a select number of nations; there are over 200+ nations in the world, just because you exclude the ones worse than the US does not make the US the worst. "You are your ilk"? You are a bigoted piece of trash sir.

Your user name is well chosen.

Your user name is well chosen.[/quote]

It protects me from your stupidity.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

I posted a study above by credible public health experts. But that will have passed you by, impelled as you are by the swirling mists of conspiracy and denial that you have concocted from like-minded lunatics on the internet.

Not to mention your "study" you claim you have posted is just an opinion piece from a public policy think tank; it is not a research study of any credible kind, just spin doctered to make you feel good about your"fake science" religion.

Research from Harvard and the University of Pennsylvania, presented by the Centre for Infectious Diseases Research. And your expert credentials are? Oh, right - your tin/lead foil hat.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Your user name is well chosen.

It protects me from your stupidity.[/quote]

But, sadly, not from yours.

This seems very optimistic to me. A problem with that optimism is if something happens that slows it down you have set yourself up as a failure. Better to go with the Scotty from Star Trek and underpromised and overdeliver.

Das Unkle wrote:

Yep.

They tell us 16 million Americans have been infected and the number may be much larger.

That is 1 in every 20 Americans. At least.

Well. Where are they? I know hundreds or people at least. Not a soul has been made sick from this.

Will you ever wake up to the lies?

Just as predicted.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

And let me reiterate; you are a bigot.

As is the scientific community and the many millions of people who don't accept your deranged theories.

Knowing the IFR to the level of precision you are indicating is pretty challenging. My best guess would give me an ifr number almost 1 1/2 times what you listed, with 80000000 infected. I will admit that some of that was generated by me being an excel monkey, so I am open to seeing better evidence. There are others who would argue the IFR is even higher. There’s also certainly a lack of clarity about when herd immunity will be reached. Also, there remain some questions about durability of immunity (just as there is with the vaccine).

I find it hard to believe that we are close to herd immunity when we are at all-time highs for both cases and deaths per day. The typical course for an epidemic wave is to have a quick ramp up to a peak and then a very slow decrement during the winter. This could function differently than previous epidemics, but that’s not what I would bet on.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

And let me reiterate; you are a bigot.

As is the scientific community and the many millions of people who don't accept your deranged theories.

What deranged theory are you talking about. What consensus are you part of that the rest of the scientific community is excluded from. No, you are just a liar with an agenda.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Not to mention your "study" you claim you have posted is just an opinion piece from a public policy think tank; it is not a research study of any credible kind, just spin doctered to make you feel good about your"fake science" religion.

Research from Harvard and the University of Pennsylvania, presented by the Centre for Infectious Diseases Research. And your expert credentials are? Oh, right - your tin/lead foil hat.

Worst of 19 selected countries? A bit misleading.

The Unkle wrote:

Oddly, I know a few kids who got killed in Viet Nam where the total deaths were 58k

We are told there have been over 16 million Covid cases in America so far. Yet I don't know one person who has been sick with this.

I know a bunch of people who have had Covid. But of close friends and family, I know 5. One friend, young guy (from my running group), got sick in March and he still is not able to walk up stairs without feeling out of breath. A middle aged overweight female cousin was a little sick, but not bad at all. The other three were a family - my close friends mom and dad and sister. The mom was pretty sick but recovered. The sister wasn't sick at all. The dad died after a week in the ICU. Out of the 5 people I know personally well: 1 death, 1 with long-term symptoms, one pretty sick but got better, one a little sick and one not sick at all. Kind of ran the gambit.

However, I do not know a single person who went to Viet Nam, so, I guess that means by your "logic" that means Viet Nam did not happen. I don't know though, I think it actually did happen even though I don't know anyone who went or died there.

Social distancing prolonged the process and divided it into separate waves due to climatic conditions which is why we are having higher numbers now. It spreads primarily in heating season, but also in cooling season when HVAC units go off economizer cycle. This is due to primarily recirculated air versus large portions of outside air. Compare the mortality curve in New York (where basically everyone got exposed initially due to the subway and climate):

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-york/

with a place like California that had a smaller initial impact due to a milder climate (they don't heat a lot and they don't cool a lot other than SoCal and inland locales).

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/california/

It's better to look at mortality numbers than case numbers because cases are too reliant on testing criteria (the reality for New York is their case numbers were 10-20 times greater than reported in the spring).

joedirtt wrote:

Compare the mortality curve in New York (where basically everyone got exposed initially due to the subway and climate):

Attack rate likely <35% for New York city.

"Basically everyone"

For those vaccine enthusiasts.

If the vaccine is so safe, then shouldn't the law that protects Big Pharma from lawsuits over the damage done by their vaccines be repealed?

Why not?