2600 bro wrote:
Yeah Wuhan built a 1000 bed hospital in 35 days for no reason!
Keykey wrote:
It is impossible for the health system to collapse. 99% of all cases worldwide are mild, no need for for hospitalisation. Worst case scenario: increase ICU capacity. BTW, sadly, old people die of all diseases.
And even then tens of thousands died in Wuhan unreported
NameStolenAgain wrote:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/02/cdcs-redfield-says-the-most-difficult-months-in-health-history-loom.html
Dr. Fauci warns of COVID-19 infections that are worse than any previous surge
Published: Dec. 2, 2020 at 6:09 p.m. ET
Looks like the Covid hustlers are going all in
Bidens left nut wrote:
You do realize you are not making any sense from the start because you are intent on using fraudulent numbers. I haven't seen anything that shows verified covid deaths. I would love to believe you but you have to do better with the information. Someone with pneumonia testing positive for covid does not die of covid if the positive pcr test only picked up non-viable virus particles. They die of pneumonia. Same with everything else.
What if they have a cold too? What if they have flu a/b in their system? A cut on their finger? Other preexisting conditions.
COVID denier/clowns like you LOVE to pull this out of your hats as if you can cherry-pick the cause of death (and cherry pick a specific test result situation, as described), per your choosing, because you don't like how the doctor/hospital/state classifies it. Sure MAYBE those people would die from their other illnesses or conditions. MAYBE. But COVID pushed them over the edge and is therefore the cause of death.
The vaccine is to protect society as a whole, just like polio, just like MMR, etc etc. If you're stupid enough to still believe the vaccine=autism sham, gullible enough to think that BIG PHARMA is pushing vaccines for profit or scared enough to think the gAteS/sOroS/MSM/leFtiSTs are out to get you, then the egg is on your face.
Get off the internet, interact with normal people and value real life. Value humanity, not your ignorant, internet echo-chamber educated superiority/conspiracy complex. I'm bewildered by you conspiracy types who submit to living your life thinking everything/everyone/every institutions is setup against you (while trying to flip the setup as being on everyone else).
the gullible, selfish and scared right wrote:
Bidens left nut wrote:
You do realize you are not making any sense from the start because you are intent on using fraudulent numbers. I haven't seen anything that shows verified covid deaths. I would love to believe you but you have to do better with the information. Someone with pneumonia testing positive for covid does not die of covid if the positive pcr test only picked up non-viable virus particles. They die of pneumonia. Same with everything else.
The vaccine is to protect society as a whole, just like polio, just like MMR, etc etc. If you're stupid enough to still believe the vaccine=autism sham, gullible enough to think that BIG PHARMA is pushing vaccines for profit or scared enough to think the gAteS/sOroS/MSM/leFtiSTs are out to get you, then the egg is on your face.
Full disclosure -- I'm not a covid denier.
You come off a bit ignorant and naive. Throughout history, the track record for vaccines has been hit or miss. In some cases even disasterous. There have been plenty of big mistakes along the way to vaccinating a populous against a particular virus.
Before you say 'but that was the old days', you should look into (research) how the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines for were developed. Never before has anyone developed a vaccine this quickly using the technology and techniques used today. Certainly, nothing that would be provided to a population on the scale of what we're about to see.
The issue of trusting a vaccine has very little to do one way or the other with believing covid exists or doesn't.
Some_Local wrote:
Full disclosure -- I'm not a covid denier.
You come off a bit ignorant and naive. Throughout history, the track record for vaccines has been hit or miss. In some cases even disasterous. There have been plenty of big mistakes along the way to vaccinating a populous against a particular virus.
Before you say 'but that was the old days', you should look into (research) how the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines for were developed. Never before has anyone developed a vaccine this quickly using the technology and techniques used today. Certainly, nothing that would be provided to a population on the scale of what we're about to see.
The issue of trusting a vaccine has very little to do one way or the other with believing covid exists or doesn't.
Not a COVID denier but an antivaxxer.
Vaccines probably top 5 for life saving advances of all time. Their track record is hard to fault given the number of lives they have saved.
There is nothing inherently unsafe about mRNA vaccines and they have been tested in trials for 10+ years.
Most of the "time" spent developing vaccines is recruiting patients and raising money to run trial. I see nothing particularly rushed about these vaccines, especially in light of their surprisingly high effectiveness.
2600 bro wrote:
No source claims close to 33% cumulative infected.
Much more likely be to close to 15-20%.
https://covid19-projections.com/Sorry if you aren't used to people simply calling you out when you make stuff up out of thin air.
joedirtt wrote:
Just because the fatality rate is about 1%, doesn't mean that only 1% get severe symptoms. If the virus continues to spread the way it is, it would still kill millions in the US by the time it reaches the entire population. Adding to this, several studies suggest 10%-33% experience long term effects of COVID-19 which are still very much unknown. There have now been several instances where previously healthy individuals who had only minor COVID-19 symptoms would go on months later to develop major blood clots in the lungs and brain, which has a strong possibility of leading to a stroke. We don't know how this will end up affecting the population long term, but if we take note from several previous coronaviruses, people will develop long term health complications as a result which will shorten their life span.
People are living too long anyhow. It's the main reason social security and medicare are going bankrupt and won't be there in a similar form when you are old.
All the evidence I have seen and the original IFR put out by the CDC was 0.26% and this falls in line with the few areas that have hit herd immunity (takes about 0.2% deaths to get there). The IFR cannot be higher than the CFR, and yet there are a couple of countries where the CFR is actually below this level (Singapore is at 0.05% and they have tested the equivalent of 80% of their population, Qatar is at 0.171% and they have tested 40% of their population). Others that have done extensive testing have CFRs a little above these values (the UAE has a CFR of 0.339% and they have tested the equivalent of 170% of their population, Bahrain is at 0.391% and they have tested the equivalent of 120% of their population). Places like the Falkland Islands and Faeroe Islands have tested the populaces multiple times and found cases, but no deaths. So there is sufficient data out there to know that the IFR is not 1% or higher that fear mongers like yourself love to perpetuate.
Some_Local wrote:
You come off a bit ignorant and naive. Throughout history, the track record for vaccines has been hit or miss. In some cases even disasterous.
LOL. What exactly do you consider a miss about saving 200-300 million lives in a century?
99% of the population is healthy?
Actually 2/3 of Americans are overweight or obese. Many of the remaining 1/3 are in poor health as well.
Make no mistake what is about to unfold is a mass medical experiment which is in violation of too many human rights laws to site here.
A (mRNA) vaccine against a cold/flu virus that is not tested properly for years is a bit dangerous wouldn’t you say?
All (pseudo)-vaccines made for the computer modelled Covid are in fact forms of gene-therapy. CanSino, Johnson, Oxford and Zeneca uses a living GMO virus bearing the Covid-spike gene.
Pfizer and others uses messenger RNA. ALL are forms of gene-therapy.
Sorry folks but this is “live-trialed” human experimentation done by some of the most devious profiteers to ever walk the earth.
The social engineering and mental/emotional manipulation that has been applied to humanity over the last 9 months is as diabolical as anything I have seen.
The physical damage that is going to be done to people over the next 6 months is going to be significant.
“Hell is empty and all the devils are here.”
-William Shakespeare
Kvothe wrote:
99% of the population is healthy?
Actually 2/3 of Americans are overweight or obese. Many of the remaining 1/3 are in poor health as well.
That alone tells you, if you have any sense, that "the Covid" really isn't that potent at all eh?
Allen53 wrote:
Kvothe wrote:
99% of the population is healthy?
Actually 2/3 of Americans are overweight or obese. Many of the remaining 1/3 are in poor health as well.
That alone tells you, if you have any sense, that "the Covid" really isn't that potent at all eh?
On a day in which US set a record for the most Covid deaths in a day, you look more nuts and out of tune with reality than ever.
joedirtt wrote:
All the evidence I have seen and the original IFR put out by the CDC was 0.26% and this falls in line with the few areas that have hit herd immunity (takes about 0.2% deaths to get there). The IFR cannot be higher than the CFR, and yet there are a couple of countries where the CFR is actually below this level (Singapore is at 0.05% and they have tested the equivalent of 80% of their population, Qatar is at 0.171% and they have tested 40% of their population). Others that have done extensive testing have CFRs a little above these values (the UAE has a CFR of 0.339% and they have tested the equivalent of 170% of their population, Bahrain is at 0.391% and they have tested the equivalent of 120% of their population). Places like the Falkland Islands and Faeroe Islands have tested the populaces multiple times and found cases, but no deaths. So there is sufficient data out there to know that the IFR is not 1% or higher that fear mongers like yourself love to perpetuate.
None of the data from tiny countries with competent testing and tracing regimes informs IFR estimates at all. You're just fishing for numbers that confirm your priors.
Here's a more recent meta analysis.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.23.20160895v7.full.pdf+htmlIFR depends on the population distribution of a country -- obviously. Your claims of herd immunity are laughable. See: Sweden thread.
Keykey wrote:
99% of the population is healthy?
When over 40% of the population is obese, it's not possible for 99% of the population to be healthy.
Sure if we redefine "gene therapy" to be an entirely meaningless catch-all. I don't think you know what mRNA is or the central dogma or anything about molecular biology.
Allen53 wrote:
Make no mistake what is about to unfold is a mass medical experiment which is in violation of too many human rights laws to site here.
A (mRNA) vaccine against a cold/flu virus that is not tested properly for years is a bit dangerous wouldn’t you say?
All (pseudo)-vaccines made for the computer modelled Covid are in fact forms of gene-therapy. CanSino, Johnson, Oxford and Zeneca uses a living GMO virus bearing the Covid-spike gene.
Pfizer and others uses messenger RNA. ALL are forms of gene-therapy.
Sorry folks but this is “live-trialed” human experimentation done by some of the most devious profiteers to ever walk the earth.
The social engineering and mental/emotional manipulation that has been applied to humanity over the last 9 months is as diabolical as anything I have seen.
The physical damage that is going to be done to people over the next 6 months is going to be significant.
“Hell is empty and all the devils are here.”
-William Shakespeare
Corphlough wrote:
Allen53 wrote:
That alone tells you, if you have any sense, that "the Covid" really isn't that potent at all eh?
On a day in which US set a record for the most Covid deaths in a day, you look more nuts and out of tune with reality than ever.
You're an idiot- don't forget that.
Tell me what was the average age of those deaths? I'm sure you don't know that answer.
What test was used to determine if they had "Covid?" I'm sure you don't know that answer either.
You get your info from TeeVee and don't explore context and don't know any history- you then call that "reality."
I defend calling the Covid vaccines 'experimental' because it is a novel vaccine technology never before approved for human use and with only months of testing it's hardly adequate to declare them 'safe' when you consider normal vaccine development takes 10 years.
Allen53 wrote:
Make no mistake what is about to unfold is a mass medical experiment which is in violation of too many human rights laws to site here.
A (mRNA) vaccine against a cold/flu virus that is not tested properly for years is a bit dangerous wouldn’t you say?
All (pseudo)-vaccines made for the computer modelled Covid are in fact forms of gene-therapy. CanSino, Johnson, Oxford and Zeneca uses a living GMO virus bearing the Covid-spike gene.
Pfizer and others uses messenger RNA. ALL are forms of gene-therapy.
Sorry folks but this is “live-trialed” human experimentation done by some of the most devious profiteers to ever walk the earth.
The social engineering and mental/emotional manipulation that has been applied to humanity over the last 9 months is as diabolical as anything I have seen.
The physical damage that is going to be done to people over the next 6 months is going to be significant.
“Hell is empty and all the devils are here.”
-William Shakespeare
Well...said. There's no long-term safety data on any of these rushed Covid vaccines. There's never been a licensed mRNA vaccine on the market before - so this is clearly going to be an ongoing experiment on human test subjects - which the Nuremberg code prohibits. One subject in the trials suffered transverse myelitis from the vaccine; inflammation of the spinal cord which can lead to permanent paralysis. And these vaccines will not stop transmission - so we'll still have to wear masks & social distance. Lol.
https://mobile.twitter.com/robertkennedyjr/status/1326241162357772292https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/pfizer-covid-vaccine-questions-safety/"Pfizer Says Trials Show COVID Vaccine Is 90% Effective, But Questions Remain on Safety of Novel Tech."
"Will covid-19 vaccines save lives? Current trials aren’t designed to tell us:"
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037You know nothing about clinical trials, vaccine development, molecular biology, or anything(?). You get your info and regurgitate it over and over from the same nonsense blogs and scam twitter "experts" who are making a quick $$ off your gullibility. Hopefully in a few years you will realize how you got wrapped in this hilarious fantasy/scam... but I doubt it.
Allen53 wrote:
Corphlough wrote:
On a day in which US set a record for the most Covid deaths in a day, you look more nuts and out of tune with reality than ever.
You're an idiot- don't forget that.
Tell me what was the average age of those deaths? I'm sure you don't know that answer.
What test was used to determine if they had "Covid?" I'm sure you don't know that answer either.
You get your info from TeeVee and don't explore context and don't know any history- you then call that "reality."
I defend calling the Covid vaccines 'experimental' because it is a novel vaccine technology never before approved for human use and with only months of testing it's hardly adequate to declare them 'safe' when you consider normal vaccine development takes 10 years.
2600 bro wrote:
You know nothing about clinical trials, vaccine development, molecular biology, or anything(?).
You get your info and regurgitate it over and over from the same nonsense blogs and scam twitter "experts" who are making a quick $$ off your gullibility.
Hopefully in a few years you will realize how you got wrapped in this hilarious fantasy/scam... but I doubt it.
Allen53 wrote:
You're an idiot- don't forget that.
Tell me what was the average age of those deaths? I'm sure you don't know that answer.
What test was used to determine if they had "Covid?" I'm sure you don't know that answer either.
You get your info from TeeVee and don't explore context and don't know any history- you then call that "reality."
I defend calling the Covid vaccines 'experimental' because it is a novel vaccine technology never before approved for human use and with only months of testing it's hardly adequate to declare them 'safe' when you consider normal vaccine development takes 10 years.
You didn't say anything.
The vaccine is part of the fix- you're ignorant to what is happening in the world.
You are ignorant as to what is happening with US currency.
You are ignorant as to the cataclysmic event in 2008 that signaled the decline of the US.
You are ignorant as to how fake pandemics are used.
You have zero knowledge about much of anything. Stick close to your TV.
Ok bro I'm on it!
Allen53 wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
You know nothing about clinical trials, vaccine development, molecular biology, or anything(?).
You get your info and regurgitate it over and over from the same nonsense blogs and scam twitter "experts" who are making a quick $$ off your gullibility.
Hopefully in a few years you will realize how you got wrapped in this hilarious fantasy/scam... but I doubt it.
You didn't say anything.
The vaccine is part of the fix- you're ignorant to what is happening in the world.
You are ignorant as to what is happening with US currency.
You are ignorant as to the cataclysmic event in 2008 that signaled the decline of the US.
You are ignorant as to how fake pandemics are used.
You have zero knowledge about much of anything. Stick close to your TV.