How is Sweden doing with COVID-19 today?

Sweden is now seeing exponential case growth. Over 4,000 new cases on Oct. 30 (Sweden back fills data so that daily info is not finalized until about a week later). Seven day moving average over the past few weeks has gone from 500 to 1000 to over 2000. Test positivity is pushing up to break 10%. Government response is to stick with the "light touch" approach by issuing advisories for certain areas to limit activities, but no actual new restrictions. Sweden is right now at the point of no return. If they do not enact strict measures on mask wearing and implement strong lockdown measures, they will end up just like Belgium. They are right now where Belgium was at the beginning of October. Belgium did nothing in October and has been forced into lockdown as Belgium ICU capacity is getting closed to being blown out. Sweden is about 3-4 weeks away from that and can avoid it almost entirely if they take decisive action this week.

https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-brings-in-regional-measures-cases-surge-2020-11

lol...and yet no one is dying in Sweden....

"In two weeks Sweden will be as bad as the rest of Europe" You morons have been wrong about Sweden for 6 months, what makes you think you're going to suddenly have any clue?

browski wrote:

lol...and yet no one is dying in Sweden....

"In two weeks Sweden will be as bad as the rest of Europe" You morons have been wrong about Sweden for 6 months, what makes you think you're going to suddenly have any clue?

The numbers for the 4 last days; 31 deaths and 10 177 infected. Though, I have nit written, earlier, that there will be a rise in deaths. In September 453 deaths October 104. More than the other Nordic countries all together. And you write "and yet no one is dying in Sweden". Sweden is still doing well compared to the rest of Europe, but not compared to the neighbors. Both infections and deaths are on the rise. Whether or not there are any morons present. More and more restrictions in Sweden as of to day. The authorities are extremely worried. With good reason. But you are still clinging to Sweden?

Sorry, 53 deaths in September.

KaareV wrote:

But you are still clinging to Sweden?

Have you read the title for the thread?

Sweden took an entirely different approach than the rest of Europe and has fared FAR better than anywhere else. Even with the rise in cases, as we are seeing across the globe the already low mortality rate has dropped even lower.

A better question is, why are you all rooting against Sweden?

browski wrote:

KaareV wrote:

But you are still clinging to Sweden?

Have you read the title for the thread?

Sweden took an entirely different approach than the rest of Europe and has fared FAR better than anywhere else. Even with the rise in cases, as we are seeing across the globe the already low mortality rate has dropped even lower.

A better question is, why are you all rooting against Sweden?

Far better

except for ~3x deaths/100k than neighboring countries! A real win!

browski wrote:

lol...and yet no one is dying in Sweden....

"In two weeks Sweden will be as bad as the rest of Europe" You morons have been wrong about Sweden for 6 months, what makes you think you're going to suddenly have any clue?

You morons have been saying that the pandemic is over in Sweden because they have herd immunity. You morons said in June that everything was fine in the US because deaths were going down as infections went up. Then, in July deaths went way up.

If Sweden is not able to get this outbreak contained, deaths will go up. Sweden actually lifted restrictions on the elderly after letting the virus rip through care homes in the spring. So, there is little reason to believe that we won't see deaths go way up over the next few weeks.

browski wrote:

KaareV wrote:

But you are still clinging to Sweden?

Have you read the title for the thread?

Sweden took an entirely different approach than the rest of Europe and has fared FAR better than anywhere else. Even with the rise in cases, as we are seeing across the globe the already low mortality rate has dropped even lower.

^^These are Trumptard talking points that are either false, twisted, or out of context.

A better question is, why are you all rooting against Sweden?

From Reuters:

Sweden has relied primarily on voluntary measures, largely unenforced but still widely adhered to. The new tighter local recommendations, already introduced in two regions with surging infections, included advice to avoid indoor environments such as shops and gyms.

Stockholm authorities said separately that the number of Covid-19 patients in need of care in the region had risen about 60% over the past week after a near 80% surge in recorded infections.

Sweden registered 7 new deaths, taking the total to 5,934. Sweden’s death rate per capita is several times higher than Nordic neighbors, but lower than some larger European countries, such as Spain and Britain.

Precious Roy wrote:

browski wrote:

lol...and yet no one is dying in Sweden....

"In two weeks Sweden will be as bad as the rest of Europe" You morons have been wrong about Sweden for 6 months, what makes you think you're going to suddenly have any clue?

You morons have been saying that the pandemic is over in Sweden because they have herd immunity. You morons said in June that everything was fine in the US because deaths were going down as infections went up. Then, in July deaths went way up.

If Sweden is not able to get this outbreak contained, deaths will go up. Sweden actually lifted restrictions on the elderly after letting the virus rip through care homes in the spring. So, there is little reason to believe that we won't see deaths go way up over the next few weeks.

I never said anything about herd immunity. The fact that you think a lockdown is going to prevent a virus as contagious as this from infecting people is utterly absurd. Why aren't you all pointing to the countries like Peru who had some of the most strict regulations/lockdowns and now have amongst the worst numbers? Or the rest of Europe who you all held as the standard that is now locking down again?

A virus is gonna virus. There is nothing we can do to stop it. We slowed it down so that we can figure out how to treat it and that is done. Contrary to what movies tell you, a virus becomes LESS lethal as it mutates because a dead host is useless to it. The fact that anywhere is locking down is absurd.

Even here in NYC where cases were rising again, NO ONE IS DYING FROM IT NOW.

Not just several times its neighbors. Sweden's death rate is many times its neighbors.

Sweden 589/million

Denmark 125/million

Finland 55/million

Norway 52/million

Correct that: Finland's is 65/million, not 55.

It is not at all difficult to stop COVID 19 from spreading and to control the virus long term. Vietnam, Thailand, S. Korea, China, New Zealand, Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Australia, Finland, Norway and others have been very successful by following a long established playbook on how to contain infectious diseases. The US, Europe, Mexico, Central and South America have all either been just letting the virus run rampant or have been trying to find another way to handle the virus to avoid infringing on civil liberties and the economic interests of capitalists. The results are in. There are no short cuts. No exceptions to the rules. The evidence is clear and undeniable. The only way to deal with the virus is to adopt an elimination strategy and go for zero cases.

NYC had 8 confirmed COVID 19 deaths on November 1.

You meant to write 6 deaths the last 4 days but decided to include Sweden's update of 21 back-logged deaths 4 days ago for emphasis. You are a liar.

I agree. And I value civil liberties and an open economy higher than anyone's health. I don't care how many people die, it's not the US Gov't's right to force business to close or tell people they can't gather for holidays.

A lockdown is kicking the can down the road while simultaneously shooting yourself in the foot.

No lockdown is shooting yourself in the head. Maybe you'll find something to do with the can in between kicking it can meeting it again down the road.

YMMV wrote:

A lockdown is kicking the can down the road while simultaneously shooting yourself in the foot.

By what principle does the U.S. gov't lack the power to take necessary, crucial measures to protect society as a whole?

browski wrote:

KaareV wrote:

But you are still clinging to Sweden?

Have you read the title for the thread?

Sweden took an entirely different approach than the rest of Europe and has fared FAR better than anywhere else. Even with the rise in cases, as we are seeing across the globe the already low mortality rate has dropped even lower.

A better question is, why are you all rooting against Sweden?

Exactly. And to day not very good. In Europe - countries over 1 M - number 5 in deathrate. Why do you ignore the facts. Example: Neighbor Norway, 52 deaths /1M Sweden 590. Are you immune to facts? "You all"? "Rooting against"? Part of the Swedish strategy, it had nothing to do with freedom, as a consequence was herd immunity. It failed. Protecting the elderly. Failed. Sweden has been used by people who are against lockdowns. By the way I like very much to stay in Sweden together with my swedish friends. And some of them are now "rooting against" not Sweden ,but the "entirely different approach". It would be nice to discuss facts with you regarding Sweden, but you are not able to do so. Do you anything at all about Sweden. Though, you are right the mortality rate has dropped. And, actually, because we know a lot more on how to give the right medical care. And the infected are much younger now. But Sweden is much worse of than Finland, Norway and Denmark. Why not one of them as a favorite? The answer so far: They locked down - not for a very long time, but with disipline and patience, those conservative values, you know. Best so far in Europe, the conservative government of Norway.