2600 bro wrote:
If you knew anything about effect sizes or statistics you'd see how stupid you sound. Even small effect sizes can be sufficient to push R0 below 1 and eliminate the virus. Small effect sizes are notoriously difficult to test for because you need large well-controlled studies - which we do not have for face masks, only observational studies.
You're correct a face mask doesn't make transmission impossible - but even a 10-15% reduction would be a big help in allowing social contact and economic activity.
Your artificial standard of masks as a magic panacea is intentionally designed to 1) unproveable to you're always maybe right 2) stifle actual progress and discussion.
I would say it's malice, but I really think you're just naive and young, so try and learn!
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
So you are basically saying scientific data and consensus does not count, only the ignorance of stupid people like yourself...that's what matters. If we satisfy your needs we are being patriotic, but if we push for a return to national sanity for the good of the country....we are selfish. I get it. DB
Well if you see the consensus of "we don't have enough data either way -- it's a hard thing to test" as meaning "not effective," then sure -- think what you want.
I tried to explain how I reason through this given the lack of gold-standard evidence. See the article that "facts and reason" cited discussing the challenges of getting good data on masking.
I am confident in my analysis given the data so far. I am surprised at the pushback on masking from people who want the economy to re-open fully ASAP. Why not accept a low cost measure that could improve outcomes and the economy?
The consensus means when the studies show they don't do much, they don't do much. This is why they demanded they would not help at the onset of this pandemic; because the evidence says no. This virus should be treated the same. Just because a mask obviously block large droplets, does not mean it mitigates the spread of a virus when asymptomatic people where them all of the time in public. Cherry picking uncertainties is just ridiculous. Stop yourself, you are delusional and the main problem the USA faces right now are people like yourself.
This is not true by any means. What is the effect of mask? Undetectable? So assumptions are just enough?