How is Sweden doing with COVID-19 today?

Budda wrote:

In conclusion: I understand that you don't agree with covid lifes being at a premium of other lifes, but never the less I have no problems giving Mr. Lead Foil that bone.

We'll just have to agree to disagree I guess, but I think that my reason for reaching that conclusion is founded on actual numbers, so at least there's that.

If anyone can produce mathematics that would convince me otherwise I'll happily be convinced.

It may not be strictly utilitarian, but I don't think the valuation of avoiding a COVID death is crazy. I do think you are overestimating the cost of mitigation vs the effect of the pandemic itself. Look at places without a lockdown-- or even varying levels of lockdown, they are all hurting just as badly.

Maybe if you could make people care less about their vulnerable loved ones you could avoid the demand shock but.... I think fostering empathy in a society for the long run is pretty valuable.

R (Repeoduction) number is going down in Sweden. 1th November 1.55 and 14th 1.16. Good news. So, may be the numbers of deaths will start to go down some two-three weeks from now.

Though an OECD-report ; Slow to bring it down under the first wave. On the top of EU-countries. It took 58 days to bring estimated R below 1.

1. Sweden 58 2. UK 54 3. France .... 5. Finland 43 9. Denmark 38 Average 34.... 19. Norway 27.

Doctor NO wrote:

Here we go on LIVE with the Swedish covid 19 situation! No alcohol after 22 pm at pubs and restaurants !We went from 61 to 19 deaths in two days .We are of course hit by the second wave as everybody else, but the vaccins give good hope and promise with 95% effective protection. Only allowed with 8 persons gathered after 24 th November. Now we just wait fot the vaccin to be delivered!

No, there is no going down just now. It is not a report from day to day. It is on the rise. Just read the report Harambe posted above. I have explained this many times, also above. The last report from Folkhälsan, Friday, showed 66 deaths. 54 of them were transported backwards, as far as to November 1 th. The Swedish reporting system is a mess. If you want to get into the data, you can also go to SVT Data Journalistik.

Sweden already at 50% of its first wave peak?!?[/quote]

Sweden was #8 in deaths per 1M about 4 weeks ago. Now it’s down to 23rd. It may not be in the top 40 by the end of the year.[/quote]

How on earth did you draw such a conclusion?

"From the beginning of October to last week 289 deaths were recorded. 232 of the covid deaths

were age + 80. At least 29 deaths age 70-79 . About 80 % of the deceased age +70 had home care or nursing home.`It still looks like elderly care accounts for most deaths, says the Swedish professor of medicine , Ingemar Skoog. ` "

KaareV wrote:

1. Sweden 58 2. UK 54 3. France .... 5. Finland 43 9. Denmark 38 Average 34.... 19. Norway 27.

The UK screwed up their approach. SAGE recommended taking action last month but the government overruled the experts and by the time they did take action it was too late.

In addition the government have broken the rules and not apologised or shown remorse - so the public adherence to the rules is really low.

Combine that with British exceptionalsim - British is the world language and Brits can travel anywhere really and be treated well - this leads to quite an overconfident nation. We have an attitude of "it'll be fine in the end" because for us it usually is. But this has led to complacency.

So for Sweden to be even worse than the UK right now... it really says a lot about their approach.

Graeme Norgate 007 wrote:

KaareV wrote:

1. Sweden 58 2. UK 54 3. France .... 5. Finland 43 9. Denmark 38 Average 34.... 19. Norway 27.

The UK screwed up their approach. SAGE recommended taking action last month but the government overruled the experts and by the time they did take action it was too late.

In addition the government have broken the rules and not apologised or shown remorse - so the public adherence to the rules is really low.

Combine that with British exceptionalsim - British is the world language and Brits can travel anywhere really and be treated well - this leads to quite an overconfident nation. We have an attitude of "it'll be fine in the end" because for us it usually is. But this has led to complacency.

So for Sweden to be even worse than the UK right now... it really says a lot about their approach.

What really says a lot about the Swedish approach compared to UK is that UK so far has 803 deaths/ 1 M pop, Sweden 633 ! And if we look at a country like Chile with total lockdown for long time we get 784.

Doctor NO wrote:

"From the beginning of October to last week 289 deaths were recorded. 232 of the covid deaths

were age + 80. At least 29 deaths age 70-79 . About 80 % of the deceased age +70 had home care or nursing home.`It still looks like elderly care accounts for most deaths, says the Swedish professor of medicine , Ingemar Skoog. ` "

Please, at October 1th 5834 deaths. Over 289 i.e. 297 up, at the November 6th: 6131. It might even rise because of the big backlog in the Swedish reporting system. As of November 20th 6406. That is 472 new deaths since October 1th. The last 10 days in October 9.1 deaths per day. The 10 first days of November 21 in average. We don't know about the numbers from 10th to 20th. Those numbers will get higher and higher for every of the four days of reporting next week. The last day reported, 66, but 64 were transported bacwards. A sober anlaysis, not too much O.P. Andersson, now over 40 deaths per day in Sweden. But because of the reporting system, it is a mess, the numbers are always lagging behind. Sources: Worldometer and SVT Data Journalistik. And on the next day of reporting from Folkhälsan on November 24 th, the numbers will be in three digits. Ad fontes. Let us hope that it will not be very bad. But the numbers will rise for the next two-three weeks. Inevitable, no matter what Ingemar Skoog says or does.

Actually, 584 more deaths, dr.NO.

And even that was wrong, sorry 572. I have been looking at cross-country skiing both at Bruksvallarna and Beitostoelen. But now my numbers are straight. Nice, both Karsson and Poromma, dr. NO!

And in comparison, a more realistic one; Denmark 135, Finland 68 and Norway 56. And on tuesday Sweden, more than 643/1M. And Swedens rise did not come at the same moment in time as the UK catastophe.

40 deaths per day in Sweden!?? I see you took too much of that O.P Andersson, lol!

Doctor NO wrote:

40 deaths per day in Sweden!?? I see you took too much of that O.P Andersson, lol!

We will know about a week from now. The highest numbers of deaths so far: November 9th 33 and 10th 30. The delay in the reporting, often more than 10 days, are the reason why the last daily numbers are so low. If you go back one week to 3rd and 4th, the numbers were 19 and 20, and then another week back, 10 and 8. That is an indication of the growth. And when we get the new report at 24th by even the numbers of the 9th and 10 th might rise, though I hope not. Since the R is going down in Sweden, the rise shouldn't move much over 50 per day. But that is too much, far too much, for a small country like Sweden. I hope it will be over soon, so I can travel to beautiful Österlen and drink a glass or four O.P. Andersson. But to day not, sorry.

Now for the actual daily death numbers per the CDC -- they bear no relationship to Kaarev's number.

https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/se

correctamundo wrote:

Harambe wrote:

https://adamaltmejd.se/covid/

Sweden already at 50% of its first wave peak?!?

Sweden was #8 in deaths per 1M about 4 weeks ago. Now it’s down to 23rd. It may not be in the top 40 by the end of the year.

To YMMV's point above, quit providing context, COVID fatalists only acknowledge data that supports their world view.

The Unkle wrote:

Now for the actual daily death numbers per the CDC -- they bear no relationship to Kaarev's number.

https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/se

If you had, Unkle, troubled yourself reading the numbers, you would have seen the same as most people are able too. Example, I wrote from my sources i.e. Worldometer and SVT Data Journalistik, which uses the information from Swedish Health Authorities, that the highest numbers are on 9th and 10th, 33 and 31, WHO place the same numbers on 11 th and 12 th. You. at least, must be able to read your own source. Or perhaps you did, but didn't quite understand. When you write : "they bear no relationship to Kaarev's number".But you see, 33 and 31. 33 and 31. Is this very diffucult for you?

KaareV wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

Now for the actual daily death numbers per the CDC -- they bear no relationship to Kaarev's number.

https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/se

If you had, Unkle, troubled yourself reading the numbers, you would have seen the same as most people are able too. Example, I wrote from my sources i.e. Worldometer and SVT Data Journalistik, which uses the information from Swedish Health Authorities, that the highest numbers are on 9th and 10th, 33 and 31, WHO place the same numbers on 11 th and 12 th. You. at least, must be able to read your own source. Or perhaps you did, but didn't quite understand. When you write : "they bear no relationship to Kaarev's number".But you see, 33 and 31. 33 and 31. Is this very diffucult for you?

I urge anyone to actually read the CDC chart

What really says a lot about the Swedish approach compared to UK is that UK so far has 803 deaths/ 1 M pop, Sweden 633 ! And if we look at a country like Chile with total lockdown for long time we get 784.[/quote]

Doctor NO. Your estimate: By Christmas Sweden not among the 40 hardest countries. Hope you don't run away from this thread.

Deaths/1 M in the Western World and EU-countries:

1. Belgium 1337

2. Spain 911

3. Italy 825

4. UK 803

5. USA 790

6. France 743

7. Czechia 668

8. SWEDEN 633

9. Romania 524 - quite a gap

10. Netherlands 518

18. Canada 302

20. Germany 170

22. DENMARK 135 - Swedens neighbor

24. FINLAND 66 - Swedens neighbor

25. NORWAY - Swedens neighbor

and that was the end of the list

So at Christmas Sweden will probably stay where they are, and so will Denmark, Finland and Norway.

And please don't compare Sweden with poor countries. The health system, for example, is far better than in USA. That is an advantage. But still ......

The Unkle wrote:

KaareV wrote:

If you had, Unkle, troubled yourself reading the numbers, you would have seen the same as most people are able too. Example, I wrote from my sources i.e. Worldometer and SVT Data Journalistik, which uses the information from Swedish Health Authorities, that the highest numbers are on 9th and 10th, 33 and 31, WHO place the same numbers on 11 th and 12 th. You. at least, must be able to read your own source. Or perhaps you did, but didn't quite understand. When you write : "they bear no relationship to Kaarev's number".But you see, 33 and 31. 33 and 31. Is this very diffucult for you?

I urge anyone to actually read the CDC chart

CDC chart? It is from the WHO, the organization where USA no longer is a member. I urge everyone who can read to help The Unkle. I am not able to do so. But by God I have tried and tried. CDC chart?