COVID cases jumped in September. Now COVID deaths are climbing in October. Who could have predicted that???

[quote]Harambe wrote:

[quote]Other guy wrote:

I gave you the data set from the CDC! If you only sum up the COVID underlying cause column you get: 194k vs 211k if you sum the multiple cause. Like I said, 92% have COVID as the underlying cause.

No idea what that means.

So 194k died due primarily to Covid, and the other 17k died of multiple causes?

None died primarily due to any of the other health issues?

Is that what this means?

94% of the Covid deaths had multiple health issues yet virtually all of them died primarily of Covid? Seems unlikely. Recall what those comorbidities are -- but these incredibly serious issues are not primary in any deaths?

Influenza and pneumonia

Chronic lower respiratory diseases

Adult respiratory distress syndrome

Respiratory failure

Respiratory arrest

Other diseases of the respiratory system J

Circulatory diseases - - - - - - - - -

Hypertensive diseases

Ischemic heart disease

Cardiac arrest

Cardiac arrhythmia

Heart failure I50

Cerebrovascular diseases

Other diseases of the circulatory system

Sepsis

Malignant neoplasms

Diabetes

Obesity

Alzheimer disease

Vascular and unspecified dementia

Renal failure

Intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning and other adverse events

You refuse to read into any of the data or writing about this -- instead just mapping your ignorance onto various pet theories.

The point is that doctors are directed to not the underlying cause on a death certificate in addition to any other factors.

For 92% of deaths with COVID on the death certificate in the CDC database, COVID was listing as the underlying cause of death.

Yes, this means that COVID was primary in all these deaths. I don't understand why you refuse to believe that. For the other 17k, the doctors listed another affliction as the underlying cause of death.

Are you saying the doctors are uniformly wrong?They are either incompetent or willfully ignoring CDC guidance en masse to list non-COVID deaths as having a COVID underlying cause?

Why are you so invested in not believing the COVID death count?

Bro you NEED to learn to use the quote function correctly. Secondly. It's not that hard to understand what Harambe means. 92% of the COVID deaths have COVID as the immediate cause of death - as determined by the doctor responsible for the patient. The other 8% have it listen as a "contributing" but not immediate comorbidity. The explanations are all. right. there. you can either read and learn, or keep posting list of health issues that 70%+ of Americans over 50 have. Furthermore 80-90% of people die with 2+ causes on their death certificate. Why is it so surprising that COVID patients have other conditions - America just isn't that healthy!

You are trying to argue with as troll who is intentionally being naive. Give it up he is a moron whom will lie incessantly to perpetuate a narrative. It is obvious to most that it is very possible they are drastically over counting deaths and covid deaths. Early on officials clearly stated that every death coupled with suspicion or a positive test was counted as a covid death. This is a fact and not up for debate. Also, all hospital would be stupid both financially to not follow this guideline because not doing so during a pandemic could leave them liable for causing an outbreak in healthy patient. Doctors do not have to be dishonest to have m as ny deaths wrongly attributed, the doctors are erring on the side of liable caution. Harambe's argument is purely that of an intentional liar or a truly naive idiot who believed everything politicians tell him. Ignore the deceptive slithering troll.

We are witnessing early stage cognitive dissonance. It will be resolved shortly by: 1) calling you names 2) repeating the same talking point for the 10th time 3) moving the goalposts entirely

Harambe wrote:

Why are you so invested in not believing the COVID death count?

Holy **** I called it EXACTLY. It happened while I was writing my last post!

[quote]Harambe wrote:

Yes, this means that COVID was primary in all these deaths. I don't understand why you refuse to believe that. For the other 17k, the doctors listed another affliction as the underlying cause of death.

Really?

Why are the column labels

Covid-19 (UO71, multiple cause of death) and

Covid-19 (UO71, underlying cause of death)?

Other guy wrote:

Really?

Why are the column labels

Covid-19 (UO71, multiple cause of death) and

Covid-19 (UO71, underlying cause of death)?

Exactly! The first one is all deaths with COVID on the cert. -- regardless of its location.

The second (underlying) is only certs. where COVID is listed as the underlying cause.

I think you're getting it!

Other guy wrote:

[quote]Harambe wrote:

Yes, this means that COVID was primary in all these deaths. I don't understand why you refuse to believe that. For the other 17k, the doctors listed another affliction as the underlying cause of death.

Really?

Why are the column labels

Covid-19 (UO71, multiple cause of death) and

Covid-19 (UO71, underlying cause of death)?

How hard is it to do the f***n quote function properly? There's even a preview button to see if you have done it right, moran.

How does someone f**k this up repeatedly unless he is a troll?

I am Sam wrote:

Other guy wrote:

[quote]Harambe wrote:

Yes, this means that COVID was primary in all these deaths. I don't understand why you refuse to believe that. For the other 17k, the doctors listed another affliction as the underlying cause of death.

Really?

Why are the column labels

Covid-19 (UO71, multiple cause of death) and

Covid-19 (UO71, underlying cause of death)?

How hard is it to do the f***n quote function properly? There's even a preview button to see if you have done it right, moran.

How does someone f**k this up repeatedly unless he is a troll?

Either a troll or exceptionally incompetent.

I enjoy destroying either, so it's all fine to me.

Allen53 wrote:

https://twitter.com/OBusybody/status/1323423721466585094/photo/1

How are we supposed to "only isolate the vulnerable" if testing asymptomatic people who might infect them isn't part of the plan?

You guys can't even keep your story straight. It's just contrarianism writ large. ANYTHING someone with credibility suggests, you have to go against.

It's fascinating!

Update to graphic overlaying new case counts and deaths originally posted in the now deleted "US COVID cases have been climbing for 5 weeks. Deaths are flat." thread.

Line color change at the date of that post.

https://monkeystyping.neocities.org/USA_NewCasesAndDeaths.png

Harambe wrote:

WWRD wrote:

When selling fear, you don't understate...can we all agree with this assertion? From here, all you have to ask yourself is, do our governments or press have motive to sell fear? They clearly do and if you don't think they do, your cognitive skills might be Joe Biden level.

So you think the Trump admin is overstating COVID deaths intentionally? Interesting take

You should change your name to Strawman. Serious question, are you out of HS yet?

Ok genius - enlighten me. I am "Harambe fanboy" so... What was your implication there? COVID cases/deaths - the "fear metric" - aren't different by partisanship these days, so you can't blame "governors" or "liberal states" for "selling fear." Therefore, you're statement does clearly read that the GOP/Trump would be complicit in overstating metrics to "sell fear." Protip: think through the things you write before clicking "post reply." I was taught this in elementary school :)

WWRD wrote:

Harambe wrote:

So you think the Trump admin is overstating COVID deaths intentionally? Interesting take

You should change your name to Strawman. Serious question, are you out of HS yet?

WWRD wrote:

Harambe wrote:

So you think the Trump admin is overstating COVID deaths intentionally? Interesting take

You should change your name to Strawman. Serious question, are you out of HS yet?

Sorry your guy lost the election :P

WWRD wrote:

Harambe wrote:

So you think the Trump admin is overstating COVID deaths intentionally? Interesting take

Don't wasting your time replying to this fearmongering lying idiot; no he is not out of HS. You are not going to convince anyone here, the only one left is the singular Harambe/Bro 2600/Precious Roy....let the troll sit under the bridge by himself.

You should change your name to Strawman. Serious question, are you out of HS yet?

If you can't figure out the quote function. I don't read your posts.

Removes 99% of LRC trolls!

The following are 7-day death totals up to indicated date. In addition, percentage increases from Oct 17 7-day total are shown.

Oct 17: 4927

Oct 18: 5077; 3%

Oct 19: 5195; 5%

Oct 20: 5303; 8%

Oct 21: 5558; 13%

Oct 22: 5658; 15%

Oct 23: 5634; 14%

Oct 24: 5767; 17%

Oct 25: 5732; 16%

Oct 26: 5809; 18%

Oct 27: 5912; 20%

Oct 28: 5718; 16%

Oct 29: 5786; 17%

Oct 30: 5871; 19%

Oct 31: 5998; 22%

Nov 01: 5957; 21%

Nov 02: 5948; 21%

Nov 03: 6080; 23%

Nov 04: 6250; 27%

Nov 05: 6363; 29%

Nov 06: 6626; 34%

It just keeps going up. Absolutely inexplicable!

Surely this has nothing to do with cases rising throughout the last two months. And obviously there is no reason to think that the death numbers will get a lot worse in the near future just because the case numbers have been going through the roof.

Totally and completely inexplicable!