I mean the PR'S from these shoes ( also other brands) are clear as daylight these days. Are there people out there that are still into the Placebo thing?
Anyway let me rephrase the question. If you have been racing barefoot your whole life and suddenly you wear
a racing flat and shave off 1-2 minute from your 10k PR. What's the right emotion to feel under such circumstances?
You should feel excited, and slightly foolish for not buying the shoes earlier.
my 2c wrote:
You should feel excited, and slightly foolish for not buying the shoes earlier.
okay but what if you just smashed the National record that stood for 10 years +?
It's legal as long as you don't try to hug anyone or even shake hands post race.
This rule might still be enforced post Covid?
If there ever is a post Covid that is.
Yes it is legal to feel emotional but your emotion should be of pure disgust in yourself that you’re now a cheater.
As someone who bought the shoes for the sole purpose of finding out if they work. Of course, I am 46 so Its not likely that I am going to get any faster. I have raced in various racing flats through out the past 30 years or so. Last September in a pair of Hoka Tracers, which are just foam and stretchy upper material, I ran my over-forty 5k PR (16:22). In a pair of next% I ran 16:19 on the same course in March. My build up was similar. This improvement is 0.3%, far from the supposed 4+ percent. And yes the shoes are meant for longer distances....but many are claiming Cheptegei 's and Kipruto's road records at 5K/10K to be a result of the shoes. So shouldn't they have helped me more than 0.3%? Maybe they do take the stress off the legs for longer distances, but you still have to move your legs that fast.
Personally, I have had hamstring issues as of late, which I think may be a result of the those shoes. They definitely don't work for everyone.
People are giving the shoes too much hype.
If it is a really big PR you can go home, go to your fridge and kiss your vials of EPO/HGH.
Yes, it's legal but make sure you put an asterisk behind your PR.
oh yes wrote:
It's legal as long as you don't try to hug anyone or even shake hands post race.
This rule might still be enforced post Covid?
If there ever is a post Covid that is.
Post COVID is like saying post metoo. Annoying and slightly inconvenient, but here to stay. Soon enough the people of the entire world will see this pandemic for the farce that it is and even as world governments to continue to attempt to enforce their silly rules their requests will go unnoticed because the world belongs to the masses, not to the rich. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, if you trample my rights and freedoms I will gladly nail you to a cross when the time comes.
lard wrote:
oh yes wrote:
It's legal as long as you don't try to hug anyone or even shake hands post race.
This rule might still be enforced post Covid?
If there ever is a post Covid that is.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, if you trample my rights and freedoms I will gladly nail you to a cross when the time comes.
Jesus Christ, that's a bit extreme.
Internetsherlock wrote:
Anyway let me rephrase the question. If you have been racing barefoot your whole life and suddenly you wear a racing flat and shave off 1-2 minute from your 10k PR. What's the right emotion to feel under such circumstances?
Who has been racing barefoot? Nobody I know.
All racing flats make you faster than running barefoot. This has been known in the scientific community for a long time.
Next% just help you more than other racing flats. Incidentally, they're not helping 1-2 minutes. The only way that could be true is if elite athletes suddenly got way, way slower at the exact time that these shoes came out. The actual difference in a 10k is estimated to be more like 20 seconds.
Legal? Yes.
Ethical? No.
Yes. But if your joyful tears are tested to be more than 50% carbon fiber, you will get a four year competition ban.
You're stupidity is unbelievable, you must be running about a 400minute 10k for it to shave off 1-2 minutes, but then again with your knowledge on running that is feasible.
How much of a PR did you run?
Old is as old does wrote:
As someone who bought the shoes for the sole purpose of finding out if they work. Of course, I am 46 so Its not likely that I am going to get any faster. I have raced in various racing flats through out the past 30 years or so. Last September in a pair of Hoka Tracers, which are just foam and stretchy upper material, I ran my over-forty 5k PR (16:22). In a pair of next% I ran 16:19 on the same course in March. My build up was similar. This improvement is 0.3%, far from the supposed 4+ percent. And yes the shoes are meant for longer distances....but many are claiming Cheptegei 's and Kipruto's road records at 5K/10K to be a result of the shoes. So shouldn't they have helped me more than 0.3%? Maybe they do take the stress off the legs for longer distances, but you still have to move your legs that fast.
4% doesn't mean 4% faster. It means 4% savings in running economy. So less energy required to go the same speed. This means different things to different runners. If you're already pretty economical it might mean only a slight improvement.
Lol no at least not the first time. If you can PR after your initial VF PR then okay sure.
Les wrote:
Old is as old does wrote:
As someone who bought the shoes for the sole purpose of finding out if they work. Of course, I am 46 so Its not likely that I am going to get any faster. I have raced in various racing flats through out the past 30 years or so. Last September in a pair of Hoka Tracers, which are just foam and stretchy upper material, I ran my over-forty 5k PR (16:22). In a pair of next% I ran 16:19 on the same course in March. My build up was similar. This improvement is 0.3%, far from the supposed 4+ percent. And yes the shoes are meant for longer distances....but many are claiming Cheptegei 's and Kipruto's road records at 5K/10K to be a result of the shoes. So shouldn't they have helped me more than 0.3%? Maybe they do take the stress off the legs for longer distances, but you still have to move your legs that fast.
4% doesn't mean 4% faster. It means 4% savings in running economy. So less energy required to go the same speed. This means different things to different runners. If you're already pretty economical it might mean only a slight improvement.
Not true. Running economy is directly proportional to running speed.
tra wrote:
You're stupidity is unbelievable, you must be running about a 400minute 10k for it to shave off 1-2 minutes, but then again with your knowledge on running that is feasible.
haha... if i am running 400 minute 10k i predict it would be 15+ minute improvement at least
Les wrote:
How much of a PR did you run?
Depends on which shoe i am comparing with...For example if am comparing wit Mizuno wave rider i might hit 3 minute difference ..
Its like running 33:30min 10k on Adios 3 , 34 min on Nike Zoom Flyknit, and 35min on Kinvara 10..
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