Ok, but seriously...when will masks go away.

So you think freedom is something to laugh at? What are you doing in this country?

So you think everyone has fallen for the same propaganda you have? You do know how politicized this virus is and how much propaganda and squashing of truth there is, correct?

It's not that hard to look around and see what is really going on. Are you that oblivious?

Shame on you for causing so much pain for so many hard working Americans. I feel horrified for all the little kids that are having to live through this. You are evil.

It's not a big deal to wear a mask? That's very similar to what the Jews were told during the NAZI regime. It's not so hard to wear that yellow star. It's only a minor inconvenience. Scumbags.

The best thing we could have done (in the UK at least) is let as many people get it during the summer and not lock down. Peoples vitamin D levels are high, their natural immune system response is high, and a good chance of getting over it and herd immunity built. Protect the vulnerable at the same time, especially those in care homes.

All we have done now is prolong the agony, and let more people get it whilst their immune system resources drop over winter. We're actually killing more people in the long run, which is the sad part. And that doesn't even bring into account the many lives lost as they wouldn't go to hospital for a cancer check etc. It's a complete tragedy.

People need to let their immune systems develop, this is part of the human body how it works, and it's a shame there's rarely any decent debate out there in public. Everyone's too frightened to say anything other than we need to lockdown for evermore. Sad really.

Masks will probably never go away now, it's too late. There's no logical conclusion you can make to remove them, the media enjoys it too much unfortunately. Any single death will get over reported, and we'll all go what a tragedy it is and carry on like we are.

y544y wrote:

adsfdasfasfsafadfa wrote:

Cool. And are you also up for say 5% chance of each of your parents dying or 10% of one of your grandparents? How many people that you know and care about are you willing to have die so that you don't have to wear a mask?

You fear mongers have used that same argument for 7 or 8 months now and what?

I know a handful of people who tested positive, some had symptoms. Not one of them dies, not one of their relatives died, not one of their co-workers or their co-workers' relatives died.

Go away with your fear mongering. You have enough blood on your hands as it is, with all the suicides and deaths from untreated and undiagnosed illnesses because of covid-panic.

God yes. Thank you for saying this.

streak wrote:

y544y wrote:

Cool. And are you also up for say 5% chance of each of your parents dying or 10% of one of your grandparents? How many people that you know and care about are you willing to have die so that you don't have to wear a mask?

You fear mongers have used that same argument for 7 or 8 months now and what?

I know a handful of people who tested positive, some had symptoms. Not one of them dies, not one of their relatives died, not one of their co-workers or their co-workers' relatives died.

Go away with your fear mongering. You have enough blood on your hands as it is, with all the suicides and deaths from untreated and undiagnosed illnesses because of covid-panic.

God yes. Thank you for saying this.[/quote]

So you are saying the 200k+ COVID deaths and 250k++ excess deaths in the USA, not to mention a similar trend all over the world, are just made up?

That is the crux of your argument -- man up and take that position if you are trying to downplay the pandemic like this.

[quote]Harambe wrote:

[quote]streak wrote:

[quote]y544y wrote:

So you are saying the 200k+ COVID deaths and 250k++ excess deaths in the USA, not to mention a similar trend all over the world, are just made up?

Exactly. Now you got it

Other guy wrote:

So you are saying the 200k+ COVID deaths and 250k++ excess deaths in the USA, not to mention a similar trend all over the world, are just made up?

Exactly. Now you got it

Yes, a vast global conspiracy. The Gates-NWO microchip vaccine is on it's way too.

I hope you're taking your HCQ!

Harambe wrote:

So you are saying the 200k+ COVID deaths and 250k++ excess deaths in the USA, not to mention a similar trend all over the world, are just made up?

As a matter of fact, when you force medics to call every death while tested or suspected sarscov2+ a "covid death," YES, the number 200k+ is made up. YES.

Nobody knows how many Americans died OF covid. Somewhere between 0 and the reported number. But it is obvious why there are so many more deaths per population than the rest of the world - millions of cynical, posturing do-gooders like you want it that way so you can go around moralizing at people for pleasure.

The excess deaths could be caused by anything - disease, lockdowns, population growth. Go away with the non-sequiturs.

So far, and it is still early, Flu numbers this year are way below average. I think mask wearing will stop being critical in about 2 years when a second generation vaccine is available that has solid protective immunity. But I hope that people continue to wear masks during flu season when inside in public places.

five's a crowd wrote:

Simp 10000 wrote:

I was also worried about this when the pandemic started. People said you wear them for a few weeks and then this will be over, now it feels like they’ll be here forever. It’s horrible, I hate the world now.

.....and yet the world just keeps on going as if it didn't care about your individual opinion.

In case you hadn’t noticed, the world isn’t really “going” right now because of a Russian/Chinese funded attempt to destroy western culture disguised as a disease.

Bad Wigins wrote:

As a matter of fact, when you force medics to call every death while tested or suspected sarscov2+ a "covid death," YES, the number 200k+ is made up. YES.

Nobody knows how many Americans died OF covid. Somewhere between 0 and the reported number. But it is obvious why there are so many more deaths per population than the rest of the world - millions of cynical, posturing do-gooders like you want it that way so you can go around moralizing at people for pleasure.

The excess deaths could be caused by anything - disease, lockdowns, population growth. Go away with the non-sequiturs.

Ok Mr. 2600 -- we've been over this many times.

1) Only states/locales with big COVID outbreaks had big excess death spikes. They are strongly correlated spatially and temporally.

2) Plenty of other countries have near our death/pop numbers in the developed world. This supports my point that COVID kills a lot of people (apparently controversial for those bad at math). Again, you'd have to be claiming ALL the countries terribly misclassified and misreported COVID deaths AND something else besides COVID caused a generational spike in excess deaths all over the world!

I'm not sure how you all can hold these views with no corroborating evidence. But I'm not surprised this is coming from 2600 dude :).

Wigins may have actually been way over the actual amount with that 2600. It might as well be as little as 20. Thanks to there being no way to determine & verify the actual death numbers, especially not using faulty PCR tests. There is actually no one verifying this.

But feel free to continue to use wildly bogus numbers pulled out azzes while looking like a complete tool. Does anyone buy your shyt anymore?

Do you have proof of this?

Hard to believe there is even a conversation about this.

Guess it takes a real genius to figure out that disrupting your inhalation and exhalation is bad for you.

Face masks. Neurologist Dr. Margareta Griesz Brisson. Summarized English version.

https://twitter.com/Noster20240123/status/1312500615910752256

Harambe wrote:

streak wrote:

You fear mongers have used that same argument for 7 or 8 months now and what?

I know a handful of people who tested positive, some had symptoms. Not one of them dies, not one of their relatives died, not one of their co-workers or their co-workers' relatives died.

Go away with your fear mongering. You have enough blood on your hands as it is, with all the suicides and deaths from untreated and undiagnosed illnesses because of covid-panic.

God yes. Thank you for saying this.

So you are saying the 200k+ COVID deaths and 250k++ excess deaths in the USA, not to mention a similar trend all over the world, are just made up?

That is the crux of your argument -- man up and take that position if you are trying to downplay the pandemic like this.[/quote]

They are not made up they have been manufactured.

Those deaths are on average 80+ years old with on average 2,5 comorbidities with on average 60% from nursing homes and those nursing homes that are referenced are warehouses where the elderly are sent to die not to be taken care of.

These were the aged poor who were in steep decline and should have received some dignity but instead were abandoned and are now being used in the most cynical of ways.

Why not just admit you've done no digging into this.

Precious Roy wrote:

So far, and it is still early, Flu numbers this year are way below average. I think mask wearing will stop being critical in about 2 years when a second generation vaccine is available that has solid protective immunity. But I hope that people continue to wear masks during flu season when inside in public places.

Is that you Bill?

ploop wrote:

Oh and for understanding what losing freedom really is, try this:

https://personalliberty.com/one-year-in-hell/

There is a huge, undeniable amount of evidence that masks work to stop the spread of disease. Why do you think surgeons, doctors, dentists etc wear them? It's not because they are comfortable. Why do surgeons scrub up before surgery? Not because they want their hands to smell nice.

This is an out and out lie. There are in fact ZERO RCT studies that illustrate masks to be effective in protecting against viral spread. There are several RCT studies that illustrate the opposite of what you state and also illustrate that masks when worn even in professional medical settings have detrimental impacts when worn long periods of time.

Do you wear a mask 5 days a week for 8 hour shifts in a poorly ventilated workspace. Don't lie.

You obviously know nothing about the whens, whys and hows of medical professionals and masks.

ONLY FACTS wrote:

Harambe wrote:

[s COVID caused a generational spike in excess deaths all over the world!

I'm not sure how you all can hold these views with no corroborating evidence. s.

Do you have proof of this?

People like this never have proof. All they have is their spit-filled pathetic attacks on people who dare to speak against their masters who have programmed them. They're all empty heads who hate seeing people happy.

Seems what these type of people are doing is throwing crap in the air and hoping something will stick. I mean, what an obvious and ridiculous lie this guy talking about...some massive generational spike in excess deaths all over the world. Unbelievable. It doesn't take much to look up and find out that in most of the world there has been NO excess deaths. The few countries that were found to have excess deaths, such as the US, UK, Spain, Italy, France, Belgium, & Sweden had a high use of ventilators.

Guess what? Those ventilators have been proven to kill and not save. Many old, sick, and frail had also been denied proper care and medication during the lockdowns. This killed a lot as well.

If you investigate that carefully, most of the "excess deaths" in those countries were caused by either medical malpractice or negligence.

lard wrote:

five's a crowd wrote:

.....and yet the world just keeps on going as if it didn't care about your individual opinion.

In case you hadn’t noticed, the world isn’t really “going” right now because of a Russian/Chinese funded attempt to destroy western culture disguised as a disease.

Exactly.

its streak wrote:

lard wrote:

In case you hadn’t noticed, the world isn’t really “going” right now because of a Russian/Chinese funded attempt to destroy western culture disguised as a disease.

Exactly.

I do not understand why more people have not caught onto this angle. I'm not saying COVID isn't real or it was released as a weapon but bad actors are definitely using the opportunity to sow division and information. For some reason the left things that fake news only works on the right. Those that have bought into the hysteria have been just as duped as those who think this is not real.

Those countries could care less if 300K or half a million mostly elderly Americans pass away. That does nothing to change their place in the world. But if the US sends itself in an economic recession and destroys the value of its currency with a mass money printing spree that does severe lasting damage and hugely threatens our place in the world. Those massive trade deficits are going to be a huge problem when the dollar loses its reserve currency status. Unfortunately, we have a hapless Biden administration with a likely Democratic sweep of congress which will provide no check on the money printing which will only make the problem much worse.