Ok, but seriously...when will masks go away.

When idiot governments and some doctors accept the fact that this is evolutionary change and it is not going away.

ploop wrote:

What is this Karen'd to death?

People will literally scream at you. Mostly middle-aged women, but it can be anyone.

"Put a f***ing mask on!!!"

"Wear a mask, a**hole!!"

That's just for jogging without a mask in a park with 15 foot wide paths. Happens all the time.

Mask hater wrote:

Tired of these god-awful things. At what threshold will they no longer be required?

I'd honestly just love to get COVID at this point. Avoiding it sucks worse than getting it would most likely be. A mask brings discomfort every day...COVID would most likely be unpleasant for a few days at most.

Masks are a miracle.

This disease is so contagious and deadly that if you, an asymptomatic person, walk by another asymptomatic person, and come within six feet of that person of a split second, someone could end up dead.

But throw on a $4 mask made in China and you are all just fine.

Miracle.

Mask hater wrote:

Tired of these god-awful things. At what threshold will they no longer be required?

I'd honestly just love to get COVID at this point. Avoiding it sucks worse than getting it would most likely be. A mask brings discomfort every day...COVID would most likely be unpleasant for a few days at most.

I’m guessing the pandemic is going to last about two years if past pandemics are any indication. So until March 2022 masks will be enforced pretty strictly.

After that you’ll probably see some serious germaphobes wearing masks for another generation (20 years) because this was such a traumatic experience for them but that will be their personal choice and not a mandate.

Are you allowed to wear a snood or buff in parks instead

Bulphroach wrote:

I don't know how many swine flu deaths we had last year or any year. I do know that absent a vaccine, which is very unlikely, Covid has almost no chance of disappearing. What mechanism would make it disappear? Poof?

Also, odds are that you aren't going to die of Covid no matter what your age. Even if you get infected and are in your 70s, odds are you will not die of Covid.

Over the past 10k years how many virsus's have shown up, run rampant for a few years. and then faded away? Why do. you think this time is any different? Granted while you are living it is waiting 2+ years for that to happen will feel like an eternity but you have to be incredibly naive to think that this is something new that humanity hasn't faced hundreds of times in the past.

And yes your odds are low. But how many deaths are you willing to tolerate? Something like 3 million americans would be a low percentage. It would also be a lot of people.

ploop wrote:

There is a huge, undeniable amount of evidence that masks work to stop the spread of disease.

Except just like the imaginary virus, no one's ever been able to find any of it.

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Perhaps the logical conclusion is the correct one then, that mask wearing is making people sick.

Over the past 10k years how many virsus's have shown up, run rampant for a few years. and then faded away? Why do. you think this time is any different?

And yes your odds are low. But how many deaths are you willing to tolerate? Something like 3 million americans would be a low percentage. It would also be a lot of people.

Good question, why is this time different? We never locked down or wore masks in the past. Why now?

Also, 3 million dead is a gross overestimate. At current fatality rate, it looks like about 700k is a reasonable estimate. We're well on our way to that anyway, and that's with all of the unnecessary suffering caused by lockdowns and masks.

I'll say it: I would be fine with 700k dead. It seems inevitable anyway.

This is what a meaningless conversation looks like in case anyone was wondering. If you aren't a pandemic scientist, you do not have a credible opinion. You're like sheep talking to other sheep about the best way to shear sheep. My advice is to be more complicit and just accept that thousands of people smarter than you are working hard to get your life back to normal as quickly as possible. Go get yourself a Kombucha and relax

dunes runner wrote:

[quote]ploop wrote:

There is a huge, undeniable amount of evidence that masks work to stop the spread of disease.

This is the thing: I don't care. I don't care if they reduce transmission. I don't care how effective they are.

I DON'T CARE.

They are more unpleasant than just catching the virus. 99% chance I'm sick for a few days at worst. <1% chance I have long term problems. <.1% chance I die.

I'll take those odds to have my life back, and to be able to breath without a mask.

you guys are just big babies.

I wear a mask all day in school and the only inconvenience is that the straps can hurt your ears.

I would gladly wear a mask my whole life if it was the worst thing in my life.

crybabies wrote:

you guys are just big babies.

I wear a mask all day in school and the only inconvenience is that the straps can hurt your ears.

I would gladly wear a mask my whole life if it was the worst thing in my life.

So for the rest of your life, you are fine with never going to a large concert, football game, or road race again?

What about a wedding or a large family thanksgiving? What about just normal life? Guess you’re fine with that though.... rather be safe

Mask hater wrote:

dunes runner wrote:

[quote]ploop wrote:

There is a huge, undeniable amount of evidence that masks work to stop the spread of disease.

This is the thing: I don't care. I don't care if they reduce transmission. I don't care how effective they are.

I DON'T CARE.

They are more unpleasant than just catching the virus. 99% chance I'm sick for a few days at worst. <1% chance I have long term problems. <.1% chance I die.

I'll take those odds to have my life back, and to be able to breath without a mask.

Cool. And are you also up for say 5% chance of each of your parents dying or 10% of one of your grandparents? How many people that you know and care about are you willing to have die so that you don't have to wear a mask?

Mask hater wrote:

Tired of these god-awful things. At what threshold will they no longer be required?

Man, you let a piece of cloth bother you that much?

What a wuss.

adsfdasfasfsafadfa wrote:

Mask hater wrote:

This is the thing: I don't care. I don't care if they reduce transmission. I don't care how effective they are.

I DON'T CARE.

They are more unpleasant than just catching the virus. 99% chance I'm sick for a few days at worst. <1% chance I have long term problems. <.1% chance I die.

I'll take those odds to have my life back, and to be able to breath without a mask.

Cool. And are you also up for say 5% chance of each of your parents dying or 10% of one of your grandparents? How many people that you know and care about are you willing to have die so that you don't have to wear a mask?

You fear mongers have used that same argument for 7 or 8 months now and what?

I know a handful of people who tested positive, some had symptoms. Not one of them dies, not one of their relatives died, not one of their co-workers or their co-workers' relatives died.

Go away with your fear mongering. You have enough blood on your hands as it is, with all the suicides and deaths from untreated and undiagnosed illnesses because of covid-panic.

MASK WHISTLEBLOWERS TELL ALL

https://thehighwire.com/videos/mask-whistleblowers-tell-all/

Mask hater wrote:

Good question, why is this time different? We never locked down or wore masks in the past. Why now?

Also, 3 million dead is a gross overestimate. At current fatality rate, it looks like about 700k is a reasonable estimate. We're well on our way to that anyway, and that's with all of the unnecessary suffering caused by lockdowns and masks.

I'll say it: I would be fine with 700k dead. It seems inevitable anyway.

LOOOOOOOOOL like 2.5x US deaths in WWII. If you're OK with that then true, anything will seem like an overreaction.

Regardless, many vaccines are in late stage trials. When we have a decent population of the country vaccinated and/or immune from infection, cases should drop and mask regs will be lifted!

I would imagine that many places will adopt the East Asian social norm of wearing a mask when you have a respiratory illness, though.

Mask hater wrote:

Over the past 10k years how many virsus's have shown up, run rampant for a few years. and then faded away? Why do. you think this time is any different?

And yes your odds are low. But how many deaths are you willing to tolerate? Something like 3 million americans would be a low percentage. It would also be a lot of people.

Good question, why is this time different? We never locked down or wore masks in the past. Why now?

Also, 3 million dead is a gross overestimate. At current fatality rate, it looks like about 700k is a reasonable estimate. We're well on our way to that anyway, and that's with all of the unnecessary suffering caused by lockdowns and masks.

I'll say it: I would be fine with 700k dead. It seems inevitable anyway.

I'd argue that is high. But to me there is no evidence that masks are going to save significant lives. To me they are just slightly slowing the spread and extending the path to herd immunity. I live in California where mask compliance is extremely high and it hasn't accomplished much compared to states where it is much lower. If there was real risk of the medical system being overloaded I would be ok with this but there is not. I think the most humane thing to do is let the virus spread as quickly as possible thorugh the 90% of the population at low risk. The best thing we can do to protect those really at risk is to let the healthy build-up herd immunity quickly. Extending the period to herd immunity actually makes it harder to protect the vulnerable because humans can only stand this condition for so long and eventually the desire to re enter society is overwhelming.

When people look at the COVID death toll they really have no perspective that almost 3 million Americans die yearly and the COVID deaths which are primarily the extremely old and vulnerable are a fractional protion of the population. There is a cost to our measures and I think we except certain risks for a higher quality of life. It has been a major civil liberties violation for the government to tell us in this case how we should respond to this risk and restrict businesses and individuals based on what elected officials decide. This is clearly a constitutional violation. Some of these illegal powers that have been grasped will try to be extended including population monitoring. Giving an individual power over peoples lived like that is very dangerous and historically never ends well.