Serena Williams says she has been UNDERPAID and UNDERVALUED

[quote]Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

[quote]just the facts, ma'am wrote:

She's got 23 singles major wins and another 16 doubles majors for 39 total.

Federer only has 20.

Djokovic only has 17.

Nadal only has 19.

But her body of work pales in comparison to either Federer, Nadal or Djokovic, the three greatest mens player ever who smashed heads every single grand slam (barring a few injuries and freak results) for well over a decade.

23 pales compared to 17?

New math?

Napolean complexes wrote:

George213 wrote:

This. I still remember how she and her obnoxious fans spoiled the moment of Osaka's first grand slam win.

Lol. Nothing gets a rise out of the LR crowd like rich and powerful women of color - AOC, Serena, Kamala. Who'd I forget? Hang on to your red hats guys! The trains lefts the station and it's not turning back. Educate your children to 'survive' in a world that is different than the one you pine for, or their lives will be long and quite possible as miserable as your own.

I know it goes against your leftist trolling but black woman are capable of being assholes like everyone else.

Vince Matthews Fan wrote:

Oh no, another thread about a female athlete, dominated by hateful, demeaning, and ignorant opinions and language. Don't, just don't. I think Serena's got a point.

There are female athletes of color, like Naomi Osaka and Allyson Felix, that are liked and admired. But it could never have anything to do with Williams' personality, could it?

The Unkle wrote:

[quote]Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

[quote]just the facts, ma'am wrote:

She's got 23 singles major wins and another 16 doubles majors for 39 total.

Federer only has 20.

Djokovic only has 17.

Nadal only has 19.

But her body of work pales in comparison to either Federer, Nadal or Djokovic, the three greatest mens player ever who smashed heads every single grand slam (barring a few injuries and freak results) for well over a decade.

23 pales compared to 17?

New math?

Not the same level of competition - if you have ever watched the difference between the men's and women's game. But you probably haven't.

The Unkle wrote:

markboen wrote:

Unfortunately for Serena, advertisers prefer talent with a personality.

Lack of personality = she is black and powerful in truespeak

She's good at abusing linespeople - and coming up with excuses when she loses. On the other hand, people don't seem to have a problem with athletes like Naomi Osaka and Coco Gauff.

The Unkle wrote:

[quote]Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

[quote]just the facts, ma'am wrote:

She's got 23 singles major wins and another 16 doubles majors for 39 total.

Federer only has 20.

Djokovic only has 17.

Nadal only has 19.

But her body of work pales in comparison to either Federer, Nadal or Djokovic, the three greatest mens player ever who smashed heads every single grand slam (barring a few injuries and freak results) for well over a decade.

23 pales compared to 17?

New math?

Huh? Are you challenged bro? When you put into context the level of competition Serena has faced in her career vs that of Fed/Nad/Djo - which is exactly the point of what I wrote, yes it does. Had any one of those guys been alone at the top in the way Serena has been in the womens game, they would have slam and overall win numbers vastly superior. Her bopdy of work would pale in comparison so this talk of "shes the best ever male or female is complete bullsh$t. Djokovic alone may legitimately doubled his Slam total without Federer or Nadal.

Not new math - it's called using your f%$king head.

Toilets fear both Williams sisters....

Yusef Scumm wrote:

Toilets fear both Williams sisters....

Since you guys spend most of your days and nights thinking so much about Serena. Eat your hearts out:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Vince Matthews Fan wrote:

Oh no, another thread about a female athlete, dominated by hateful, demeaning, and ignorant opinions and language. Don't, just don't. I think Serena's got a point.

There are female athletes of color, like Naomi Osaka and Allyson Felix, that are liked and admired. But it could never have anything to do with Williams' personality, could it?

Who hacked armstronglivs account? This is the second post today that I agree with. Unprecedented!

Jammier wrote:

Really?

https://tennishead.net/i-have-been-underpaid-and-undervalued-by-tennis-claims-serena-williams/

I feel nothing but pity for Ms Williams.

She has everything. Family, wealth, fame, unparalleled success. And yet, eber time I read about her, she seems completely miserable.

Perhaps she'll find peace once retired and able to reflect on her accomplishments.

I've spent a considerable amount of time with many successful athletes, and I find it amazing how truly unhappy a large subset of the "stars" really are. Unfortunately, some athletes are sociopaths, and Williams doesn't seem to have escaped that curse.

Yusef Scumm wrote:

I hope the next time she scales the Empire State Building, she falls off and hits her nuts on a fence.

Ugly, hairy, racist, race baiting bigfoot (and ass).

And just in case you guys need another rich black person to make you feel insecure about yourself:

Napolean complexes wrote:

Yusef Scumm wrote:

I hope the next time she scales the Empire State Building, she falls off and hits her nuts on a fence.

Ugly, hairy, racist, race baiting bigfoot (and ass).

And just in case you guys need another rich black person to make you feel insecure about yourself:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30096226/lebron-james-claims-fourth-finals-mvp-only-michael-jordan-more

You seem to have missed that it is Williams who is complaining of feeling unloved. So who is insecure here?

Today might have been her last chance to catch Margaret Court's 24 majors. Oh well, maybe the best American tennis player ever.

I wonder if once you now people are starting to look at you in a different light, you start to act the part? I feel genuinely sorry for her. She is the best to ever play in the women's game, but her behavior and stupid comments are taking over. Its like a disease, she cant stop. Its something new every year. She has a good activist motor, but that has somehow mutated with the petulant foot stomping tennis gene and produced this weird monster.

bigmig19 wrote:

I wonder if once you now people are starting to look at you in a different light, you start to act the part? I feel genuinely sorry for her. She is the best to ever play in the women's game, but her behavior and stupid comments are taking over. Its like a disease, she cant stop. Its something new every year. She has a good activist motor, but that has somehow mutated with the petulant foot stomping tennis gene and produced this weird monster.

I don't think it has as much to do with race or gender or politics as it has to do with the Maximizer mindset that is so common in world-beating athletes. I bet the race and gender thing ramp it up a bit more, but what makes her such a phenomenal athlete is also what drives some of the insecurity. The Maximizer mindset isn't that uncommon, it is just that almost no one is able to get to the point of being the best. She is unique in that way, so she doesn't know where to go from there. I am a big fan of hers, and I wish her nothing but happiness. It is worth reading more about Miximizers vs. Satisficers:

Williams plays 2/3 sets whereas Federer/Djokovic/Nadal play 3/5 sets. That makes it easier for her to contest doubles and win more prizes, so I don't think the number of titles is as easy to compare. It also means spectators are watching men a lot more. So it makes sense for more prize money to be attributed to them and endorsement too. Why wouldn't you pay Federer more considering he will be seen on court for much more time than Williams?

But endorsements are a bit weird anyway. Why shouldn't good-looking, athletic-looking people not consider it unfair that sports-stars get the big endorsements?

Is it unfair if spectators would rather watch men than women?

Is it unfair if spectators would rather watch one sport than another?

Is it unfair that there is so much more prize money and endorsements than several decades ago?

But even assuming she is correct and she has been unfairly underpaid relative to some others, does it follow that she should have been paid more? Aren't there a lot of other simultaneously unfair relations which should reduce her pay? For example, isn't there an unfair lack of interest in some other sports? (Shouldn't tennis players have their income reduced to help out less popular sports?) Is the proportion of more going to the top players fair? (Isn't it arguable that the lower tiers of profession should be paid more at the expense of the winners?) Are all of the workers who support Williams paid fairly? (Not just her direct support staff, but everyone who works at tournaments, broadcasting matches, and in the production of goods which she endorses. Isn't arguable that some of the thousands of workers who sell tickets, serve food and drinks, maintain tennis courts, officiate matches, photograph and video should be paid more? What about those are paid very by Nike in comparison to her contract? (Apparently the average Nike retail employee earns $12 per hour and factory workers earn about $1 per hour)

So it seems like her argument is that unfairness relative to her matters, whereas other forms of unfairness do not matter. Therefore it seems she is simply advocating for her own self-interest rather than really making an argument about unfairness.

Glad this thread came back, one of my faves.

End of the day I believe the genus for all of this is still quite simple - the sad and tragic reality that Serena Williams lives a life where, despite a plethora of wealth and admiration, she would still rather focus on a phantom narrative that in some way she is a victim.

I think we as a society should be more concerned about why that is the case rather than bothering to concern ourselves with both qualitative and quantitative evidence about why she is full of sh$t on this particular and unsubstantiated "gripe".

There's not a big name athlete alive who does not produce far more money for the owners than he or she gets paid.

Team owners, Network owners, shoe company owners.

All make billions of the talent and hard work and marketability of the super athletes.

So what she is saying is blatantly obvious and true.

She will, of course, be savaged by all those who buy the propaganda of the ruling class.

Drumroll wrote:

facts and reason wrote:

She's had an audience of millions of people. She's had endorsements. She's won championships.

I'm sorry, but I don't like how she's playing the victim.

Leftists do this a lot.

Well at least they pay their taxes. Obama paid $1.7 million in taxes. Trump got a refund of $72.9 million

How'd Obama make all the dough?

Oh, that's right. Book deals and Wall Street speeches for the bosses