I got fired today

Did you have a contract? I assume not. Thus you were an employee at will and absent some discriminatory motive they can fire you for any reason whatsoever. Unless you were blowing the whistle on something illegal and they retaliated.

this is it wrote:

I like where you're going with this.

Me too. I'm convinced my manager was jealous of me because of my age and success. He is about 50 with low energy and I'm 30 with high energy. He hasn't hired anyone in my age range and only hires people near his age. When we had openings and found candidates (all under 30), at the end of the process he vetoed them all. In fact, my replacement is around 50 years old.

I'm going to take a stand and fight the ageism against millennials. I'll contact an attorney tomorrow and make a case.

forgot my password wrote:

Did you have a contract? I assume not. Thus you were an employee at will and absent some discriminatory motive they can fire you for any reason whatsoever. Unless you were blowing the whistle on something illegal and they retaliated.

age discrimination against a millennial

Flown, not flied.

bgt29 wrote:

forgot my password wrote:

Did you have a contract? I assume not. Thus you were an employee at will and absent some discriminatory motive they can fire you for any reason whatsoever. Unless you were blowing the whistle on something illegal and they retaliated.

age discrimination against a millennial

That is funny!

highhoppingworm wrote:

As a product management executive in technology let me say this...

Part of the PM discipline involves knowing how to steer things towards your vision and get people on board while maintaining good relationships with a broad array of stakeholders. Yes even ones you think are running the company into the ground. A good product manager in my experience can succeed and make positive change almost anywhere. That said, some companies just suck so perhaps it is for the best.

Good news, finding a PM job shouldn’t be too difficult right now.

Listen to this person. It takes maturity and nuance to be able to diplomatically steer people in corporate America towards new ideas without coming across as critical and/or not a team player.

The good news is, you are young, and Covid has led to many layoffs. Hiring managers will probably assume this was a lay-off and you don’t have say anything.

It is not a good idea to remain at a company that is not performing well or giving raises/promotions just because you have a good salary and don’t feel like finding another job. The writing is on the wall. I’ve seen and known many people who do this, only to be laid off 3-5 years later when they are older and it is MUCH harder to find a job.

Try to find a company that is growing and thriving.

In fairness there are a lot of good companies that are/were thriving and growing that had a rough 2H this year.

Hyuk hyuk hyuk wrote:

[quote]bgt29 wrote:

I didn't propose solutions, you're right. But I was working on solutions that were growing and lacking resources. I agree with your feedback that I likely came off as someone only being critical. At the same time, if my critiques were wrong, you'd think I'd at least receive a rebuttal.

Fattyatthegym is likely cut from the same cloth as these Mr. Managers who fired you. I always laugh when Mr. Managers get so butthurt about being criticized for objectively indefensible actions or performance from their subordinates. Unfortunately, such people are petty enough to fire those who dare question the authority of the Mr. Managers. Consider that a lesson learned and become a respected IC at your next employer who avoids Mr. Manager drama. Take solace that these people are likely fat (see fattyatthegym), have health problems, can't get boners, have a wife who hates and/or disrespects them, and all the toxic externalities that come from living for other people.[quote]

There is an art to conveying ideas and solutions in an effective manner. People like you seem convinced you are right and someone else is wrong. This is because you lack basic problem solving and people skills. Your responses reflect immaturity and a lack of any discernible skill set. 50 years from now you will still stubbornly think everyone else is wrong. Go ahead and prove me right by providing another dumba$$ response.

Dude, for next time:

step 1) line up a new gig with benes.

step 2) decide if you want to burn bridges or keep network in tact (almost always the latter unless you just have a really superior moral position and/or you can win decisively in the eyes of your peers and the industry - like the American Revolution or the Civil War)

step 3) announce your departure and depending on your decision in 2, leave quietly with reasons like "personal growth, new opportunities, etc." or leave in dramatic fashion trying to take down everybody in your wake (again, almost always not going to end well for you in the long run if you choose this one).

step 4) go to new job and cash that paycheck and live the high life with those benes.

step 5) in like 4-6 years when you realize nearly every job ends this way, decide if you're done and want to ride it out in a corner cubicle with decent benes of if you want to start over at step 1.

I love how you claim that you are responsible for launching this product, as if it was likely not a massive team effort that was only made possible by the financial investment of your firm.

Fattyatthegym is likely cut from the same cloth as these Mr. Managers who fired you. I always laugh when Mr. Managers get so butthurt about being criticized for objectively indefensible actions or performance from their subordinates. Unfortunately, such people are petty enough to fire those who dare question the authority of the Mr. Managers. Consider that a lesson learned and become a respected IC at your next employer who avoids Mr. Manager drama. Take solace that these people are likely fat (see fattyatthegym), have health problems, can't get boners, have a wife who hates and/or disrespects them, and all the toxic externalities that come from living for other people.

Triggered.

I don’t think it’s a huge deal that you did that and I think your dad is mostly wrong. Always be wary when asking your parents about career advice because in my experience they don’t understand the modern job market or how a lot of things work today. Back in the day if you had a good paying job you hung on to it no matter what. But today if you lose a job there are thousands of openings on the internet and finding a new job is a breeze compared to the past.

LMLMLM wrote:

I love how you claim that you are responsible for launching this product, as if it was likely not a massive team effort that was only made possible by the financial investment of your firm.

You're right, it's growth was a true team effort, and my firm definitely provided the playground for me to launch the product. However, I started the initiative on a white board with one junior engineer and no business stakeholders. After it started growing, solving problems, and generating revenue, the business stakeholders injected themselves. I didn't do this by myself, but I'm confident to say it wouldn't have emerged without me.

Bgt... you are showing a lot of maturity in your responses here. If you have a way of funneling me your contact info I would be happy to at least meet with you briefly to talk if you are looking to expand your network.

Make sure to file for unemployment right away.

You did not choose to leave, so you are eligible.

Don't let pride stop you from taking this as welfare.

Companies pay into this fund. You are entitled to it.

You won't ever have more fun than the next six months. Enjoy it.

100% every PM takes credit for DEV team doing the actual work when they typically don't know anything about how to actually build anything at all. Pretty sure I could teach an average highschoolers to be better PM's than the current state of PM's in tech.

bgt29 wrote:

LMLMLM wrote:

I love how you claim that you are responsible for launching this product, as if it was likely not a massive team effort that was only made possible by the financial investment of your firm.

You're right, it's growth was a true team effort, and my firm definitely provided the playground for me to launch the product. However, I started the initiative on a white board with one junior engineer and no business stakeholders. After it started growing, solving problems, and generating revenue, the business stakeholders injected themselves. I didn't do this by myself, but I'm confident to say it wouldn't have emerged without me.

LOL one junior dev... who probably got half your salary and actually did all the problem solving.

Sounds like you have worked at every tech company in the world. That is pretty cool! You must be a real pleasure to work with.