Yes or No: Do you support “black lives matter”?

agip wrote:

WWRD wrote:

The organization? Heck no. Their a leftist, marxist, org with intentions and policy goals that would effectively destroy the US/western culture, and replace it with an Orwellian world of groupspeak, control, and ultimately (like all fascists), gulags for their political enemies.

Now would I march with my black friends/citizens against injustice perpetrated on them because of their color? Yes.

the Russian propaganda runs strong with this one!

agip wrote:

WWRD wrote:

The organization? Heck no. Their a leftist, marxist, org with intentions and policy goals that would effectively destroy the US/western culture, and replace it with an Orwellian world of groupspeak, control, and ultimately (like all fascists), gulags for their political enemies.

Now would I march with my black friends/citizens against injustice perpetrated on them because of their color? Yes.

the Russian propaganda runs strong with this one!

So witty and clever.

Wow, I’ve read you on other threads and always fancied you as at least well reasoned and smart, but it’s clear you’re just a Demagogue.

You never responded to the point that, while BLM may not be a “hierarchical” organization, it’s an organization with a platform that has concrete demands. I bet you don’t even know what those are.

WWRD wrote:

The organization? Heck no. Their a leftist, marxist, org with intentions and policy goals that would effectively destroy the US/western culture, and replace it with an Orwellian world of groupspeak, control, and ultimately (like all fascists), gulags for their political enemies.

Now would I march with my black friends/citizens against injustice perpetrated on them because of their color? Yes.

Ditto, though the last part of your sentence is pretty strong. They are anti-nuclear family too, which is the single biggest problem in that culture.

People can acknowledge that black lives matter and be proponents of change without supporting the racist movement that is BLM.

Calling it the whitehouse is racist wrote:

agip wrote:

the Russian propaganda runs strong with this one!

So witty and clever.

Wow, I’ve read you on other threads and always fancied you as at least well reasoned and smart, but it’s clear you’re just a Demagogue.

You never responded to the point that, while BLM may not be a “hierarchical” organization, it’s an organization with a platform that has concrete demands. I bet you don’t even know what those are.

anyone can put up a website and declare stuff.

I've been to a few BLM marches. They are not people looking to overthrow the capitalist system. They are people very motivated by the need for police to stop unecessary violence against black people, and to improve the chances of improvement for black Americans.

No one is reading manifestos on some website.

That's my point.

Your insistence on some sort of concrete demands is foolish and false.

as to the Russian point...Russians have been behind much of the anti-BLM vitriol. They have been stirring racial tensions on purpose, to help Trump and break apart the nation.

Assume people who make these sort of outlandish claims have been reading Russian propaganda.

"Their a leftist, marxist, org with intentions and policy goals that would effectively destroy the US/western culture, and replace it with an Orwellian world of groupspeak, control, and ultimately (like all fascists), gulags for their political enemies."

I mean odds are that's right from a russian-sourced facebook post.

destroy western civilization indeed.

FWIW, everyone who says that they are "anti-nuclear family" is advertising their own poor reading comprehension.

100% no

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

I hope the people who want to crusade for racial equality will recognize that this is not the group to do it behind.

So that doesn't apply to you because you aren't interested in racial equality. Got it.

agip wrote:

anyone can put up a website and declare stuff.

I've been to a few BLM marches. They are not people looking to overthrow the capitalist system. They are people very motivated by the need for police to stop unecessary violence against black people, and to improve the chances of improvement for black Americans.

No one is reading manifestos on some website.

That's my point.

Your insistence on some sort of concrete demands is foolish and false.

No, it’s not. Their unrealistic demands actually exist. No one is going to disagree with the unnecessary police brutality, but do black lives matter to blacks, who commit homicide against their own people at alarming and greater rates than any other race? Do liberal mayors and governors really care, when they’ve done nothing to solve the problem in inner cities for generations, despite throwing ludicrous amounts of taxpayer dollars at “the problem”?

baa baa wool wrote:

FWIW, everyone who says that they are "anti-nuclear family" is advertising their own poor reading comprehension.

I keep reading this criticism too and I don’t get it. My understanding is that you want your community to work as an extended family looking out for each other, which sounds like a perfectly reasonable idea.

Do people who keep bringing up “anti nuclear” family do it in the hopes that it sounds related to “anti heterosexual marriage” hoping to tally the bigots against BLM?

TheCorrectorII wrote:

baa baa wool wrote:

FWIW, everyone who says that they are "anti-nuclear family" is advertising their own poor reading comprehension.

I keep reading this criticism too and I don’t get it. My understanding is that you want your community to work as an extended family looking out for each other, which sounds like a perfectly reasonable idea.

Correct.

TheCorrectorII wrote:

baa baa wool wrote:

FWIW, everyone who says that they are "anti-nuclear family" is advertising their own poor reading comprehension.

I keep reading this criticism too and I don’t get it. My understanding is that you want your community to work as an extended family looking out for each other, which sounds like a perfectly reasonable idea.

Do people who keep bringing up “anti nuclear” family do it in the hopes that it sounds related to “anti heterosexual marriage” hoping to tally the bigots against BLM?

Nope, that’s your own projection on what you perceive to be the agenda of the right. There’s a saying that, “If you want to change the world, go home and love your family,” instead of this “it takes a village” mantra. Far too many black fathers abandon their families or have no real involvement with their children, which is a huge problem. Yes, it’s hard when both parents have to work. We had the same situation raising kids, as did most of my peers, but, even in divorced families, the fathers were still very much involved.

BLM is not promoting a culture of fathers staying and investing in their children. They are promoting the opposite. If you support BLM, then you don’t really want the plight of African Americans to be solved. It’s just another pseudo-woke, progressive, evolved self righteousness to pretend you are actually “with them,” when, in fact, you and your constituency aren’t really about solving the problem. You just want to keep reinforcing the victim and martyr status without actually investing in the community, holding them accountable, not tolerating failure, and telling them that they are NOT victims, that they can actual make a much better life for themselves. But you and your elected are really going to help them with that this time, right?

Yes.

You glossed over your complete misrepresentation of repeatedly calling them anti-nuclear family.

TheCorrectorII wrote:

baa baa wool wrote:

FWIW, everyone who says that they are "anti-nuclear family" is advertising their own poor reading comprehension.

I keep reading this criticism too and I don’t get it. My understanding is that you want your community to work as an extended family looking out for each other, which sounds like a perfectly reasonable idea.

Do people who keep bringing up “anti nuclear” family do it in the hopes that it sounds related to “anti heterosexual marriage” hoping to tally the bigots against BLM?

How is it possible to be a bigot against an organization?

First, Black Lives didn't seem to matter in Louisville today. Then we had to listen to the KY Trumpet AG justify it !! Voters that are of color have to realize that the social injustice and prejudice will continue and increase if Trump is reelected !!

Concerned Senior wrote:

First, Black Lives didn't seem to matter in Louisville today. Then we had to listen to the KY Trumpet AG justify it !! Voters that are of color have to realize that the social injustice and prejudice will continue and increase if Trump is reelected !!

A question:

What does BLM have to do with whether the officers were charged? Did anything happen in that apartment because of the color of their skin?

Follow me:

You are a police officer, you are serving a warrant at a white persons apartment, knocked on a door (though it was a no knock warrant), did not get an answer. Then entered, headed down a dark hallway, and were met with gun fire. Would you be like "whoa, I'm not shooting back because they are white, but if they are black I am"? You see how ludicrous that is?

Everything that happens to someone doesn't happen to them because of the color of their skin. The left has half the country so obsessed, and divided by, skin color, that they look at everything through the prism of it. It's a horrible way to try and unite a country, and in fact, is a tactic to divide it.

Concerned Senior wrote:

First, Black Lives didn't seem to matter in Louisville today. Then we had to listen to the KY Trumpet AG justify it !! Voters that are of color have to realize that the social injustice and prejudice will continue and increase if Trump is reelected !!

Did any of these black lives matter to the Chicago black community? To the mayor? To the governor?

I thought Chicago was going to fix this problem (insert Detroit, Baltimore, St. Louis, Atlanta,...)

You have a point there, that last statement was unwarranted. This isn't just Trump's America, this is America as it has been for the last 50 years, if not longer. Marxists/Communists are authoritarian left. Fascists are authoritarian right. Get it straight. And quit trying to invalidate whole paragraphs based on a single statement - in an argument, people usually have a valid point.