I doubt we will ever know where it came from. There could quite easily be no proof, and 'proof' can be very easily manipulated these days.
Does it really matter? If it was an accidental leak, I can understand China not owning up to it - I'd imagine most countries wouldn't quite honestly. They were probably concerned about citizens who had nothing to do with it becoming target of hatred, or nuclear action against them.
To me I'm not sure it matters.
Would the information really provide anything positive now?
I will say one thing though, I don't know why no one is looking towards all of the construction done around Donghu wetland national park (massive park next to Wuhan).
I have never been one for conspiracy in the slightest but all of the information I read about it back in Feb/March has gone (about the construction/tunnels).
When I look at the possible origins of the virus, I see two problem solving principles coming to the forefront... Occams Razor and Hanlon's Razor.
Occams Razer says that the simplest, most likely solution -- the one that requires the least amount of jumping through hoops to arrive at -- is the most likely solution.
In the case of COVID 19, Occams razor would posit that the simplest answer is that the virus was being studied (and perhaps being modified for whatever reason) in Wuhan and it inadvertently escaped. The opposing premise that the virus could somehow travel for hundreds of miles AND jump species AND infect no one anywhere along those... what?... 600 miles from where the bats live to surface randomly across from China's most dangerous viral laboratory is just way too many unlikely steps.
Hanlon's Razor says, "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
In the case of COVID 19 escaping from a lab, it seems that negligence is the most likely answer.
I don't see a conspiracy. I see incompetence followed by a cover-up followed by massive incompetence and cover-up by the WHO and other national health organizations.
When I look at the possible origins of the virus, I see two problem solving principles coming to the forefront... Occams Razor and Hanlon's Razor.
Occams Razer says that the simplest, most likely solution -- the one that requires the least amount of jumping through hoops to arrive at -- is the most likely solution.
In the case of COVID 19, Occams razor would posit that the simplest answer is that the virus was being studied (and perhaps being modified for whatever reason) in Wuhan and it inadvertently escaped. The opposing premise that the virus could somehow travel for hundreds of miles AND jump species AND infect no one anywhere along those... what?... 600 miles from where the bats live to surface randomly across from China's most dangerous viral laboratory is just way too many unlikely steps.
Hanlon's Razor says, "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
In the case of COVID 19 escaping from a lab, it seems that negligence is the most likely answer.
I don't see a conspiracy. I see incompetence followed by a cover-up followed by massive incompetence and cover-up by the WHO and other national health organizations.
She went on to say that it was released on purpose from the Wuhan Lab. She says that the structure of the virus cannot possibly come from nature and that the virus is essentially a 'frankenstein'...
We’ve known this since maybe March or April .. if you’d watch something other than msnbc or cnn... the truth was always out there. Also VitD and hydroxychloroquine are highly effective in the fight against the virus.. again more than likely this was buried by the liberal msm. The fat, sick and old are dying. The deaths are flattened; of course cases might be up, there’s a lot more testing. Fauci in February is on YouTube claiming nothing to work about; 3-4 weeks later we were watching panic porn 24/7 on msm, all of us bullied into wearing a mask to enter a store. Of course it was released by China and zero to do with the wet market nearby.
She went on to say that it was released on purpose from the Wuhan Lab. She says that the structure of the virus cannot possibly come from nature and that the virus is essentially a 'frankenstein'...
We’ve known this since maybe March or April .. if you’d watch something other than msnbc or cnn... the truth was always out there. Also VitD and hydroxychloroquine are highly effective in the fight against the virus.. again more than likely this was buried by the liberal msm. The fat, sick and old are dying. The deaths are flattened; of course cases might be up, there’s a lot more testing. Fauci in February is on YouTube claiming nothing to work about; 3-4 weeks later we were watching panic porn 24/7 on msm, all of us bullied into wearing a mask to enter a store. Of course it was released by China and zero to do with the wet market nearby.
I agree. You cannot trust MSNBC or CNN. It is important to consider all news sources, including conservative ones like Forbes:
We’ve known this since maybe March or April .. if you’d watch something other than msnbc or cnn... the truth was always out there. Also VitD and hydroxychloroquine are highly effective in the fight against the virus.. again more than likely this was buried by the liberal msm. The fat, sick and old are dying. The deaths are flattened; of course cases might be up, there’s a lot more testing. Fauci in February is on YouTube claiming nothing to work about; 3-4 weeks later we were watching panic porn 24/7 on msm, all of us bullied into wearing a mask to enter a store. Of course it was released by China and zero to do with the wet market nearby.
I agree. You cannot trust MSNBC or CNN. It is important to consider all news sources, including conservative ones like Forbes:
I think its important to note though. Just because some nuts like Bannon latched onto this conspiracy theory that is was a bioweapon does not mean that it came from a lab not true. The reality is this is the type of thing that attracts the type of people like Bannon who participate in the spread of misinformation. It's unfortunate because its takes away from real truth and scientific action. When it is said Covid could have been a lab leak of natural virus being studied or a modified virus being studied for legitimate research functions people can get behind an actual investigation. If idiots like Bannon start spreading misinformation that this was engineered as a Bio Weapon or released on purpose people will completely shut off the lab theory as a nut job theory that is politically motivated because they don't want to be associated with such unsubstantiated claims.
What's interesting on the lab theory is there has been mass misinformation on both sides. Many virologists in the western world, especially those with ties to Eco Health Alliance have actively been spreading misinformation to make people believe there is no way this could have been a lab leak. Probably because they are afraid this could shine a light on their research activities and they could be forced to shut down. Remember the Obama administration put a ban on public funding for GOF research because of the associated dangers that was lifted in 2015. We're in a spot where you have misinformation coming from both sides on this topic and internationally is a foreign affairs bombshell. Some think it would benefit Trump if this came from a lab, but it probably wouldn't since his administration renewed the Obama era funding for batborn coronavirus research grant last year, which Wuhan was one of the labs receiving funds. I've tried to look to individual scientists who have credibility, for their opinions on this topic.
I think its important to note though. Just because some nuts like Bannon latched onto this conspiracy theory that is was a bioweapon does not mean that it came from a lab not true. The reality is this is the type of thing that attracts the type of people like Bannon who participate in the spread of misinformation. It's unfortunate because its takes away from real truth and scientific action. When it is said Covid could have been a lab leak of natural virus being studied or a modified virus being studied for legitimate research functions people can get behind an actual investigation. If idiots like Bannon start spreading misinformation that this was engineered as a Bio Weapon or released on purpose people will completely shut off the lab theory as a nut job theory that is politically motivated because they don't want to be associated with such unsubstantiated claims.
What's interesting on the lab theory is there has been mass misinformation on both sides. Many virologists in the western world, especially those with ties to Eco Health Alliance have actively been spreading misinformation to make people believe there is no way this could have been a lab leak. Probably because they are afraid this could shine a light on their research activities and they could be forced to shut down. Remember the Obama administration put a ban on public funding for GOF research because of the associated dangers that was lifted in 2015. We're in a spot where you have misinformation coming from both sides on this topic and internationally is a foreign affairs bombshell. Some think it would benefit Trump if this came from a lab, but it probably wouldn't since his administration renewed the Obama era funding for batborn coronavirus research grant last year, which Wuhan was one of the labs receiving funds. I've tried to look to individual scientists who have credibility, for their opinions on this topic.
Ok. I see how it works.
Highly credentialed scientists who publish in peer reviewed journals have cast serious doubt if not completely eviscerated claims that COVID 19 was lab generated. COVID deniers: Can't be trusted because of shadowy conspiracies to hide the truth because of involvement with Big Pharma, China and Free Masons.
A self-described virologist defects from China and into the arms of a anti-CCP propaganda group funded by a crooked exiled Chinese billionaire and run by Steve Bannon, presents a paper on the science equivalent of a medium post and making hordes of unfounded conclusions based on minor similarities between COVID 19 and lab generated coronaviruses. Goes straight to Foxnews and the NY Post and avoids any contact with real medical journals or medical journalists. COVID deniers: WAIT!!! Let's hear this one out.
Who would of thought that a crude running message board would be the place to provide such direct, even if relentless and tedious, insight into the banal workings of the fascist-totalitarian mind.
She went on to say that it was released on purpose from the Wuhan Lab. She says that the structure of the virus cannot possibly come from nature and that the virus is essentially a 'frankenstein'...
This is why we need Trump to get re-elected, no matter how bad he is. Only Trump has the guts to go to war with China. The Dems just like to appease anyone who even throws a rock through a window. Biden will be inviting the Chinese over for tea and crumpets with little parsley and margarine finger sandwiches. And put the tea cups on little frilly doilies, and have lillies and pansies all over the room. Probably wear sandals too and listen to John Lennon solo albums.
Let's use our heads instead of being partisan fools. As Americans, we ought to stand together on things that matter.
First of all, going to war with a vast, populous, economically strong, nuclear-armed nation such as China is a terrible idea. Also, the economies of China and the U.S. are so interdependent that both would suffer greatly in the event of war. Such a war would likely be catastrophic for all parties.
Secondly ... have we seen any action from this President regarding the Russian activities of 4 years ago? No, we have not. I am not a Democrat, but let's not hold up Trump as some example of getting tough on America's enemies. You speak of appeasement ... this President has practically cozied up to Putin in the manner you describe above. Trump has not even acknowledged the preponderance of intelligence that multiple agencies have collected regarding Russia's nefarious activities.
Thirdly, yes China is a threat. The U.S. should take this seriously. We need to have a much stronger position vis-a-vis China. Just like the U.S. is in a stronger position with respect to oil and the Middle East -- post-9/11, the U.S. has become the world's largest producer of petroleum and this has mooted OPEC, taken the power out of Iran, the Saudis, etc., and greatly strengthened America's strategic position overall. We must work together to make such a shift with respect to China over the next 10-20 years.
Fourthly, there are less disastrous steps to take against China than just simply and stupidly declaring war. "Trump is the only one with guts" is not going to solve this. The problem is complex, and Americans will have to work together. We can start by contacting our elected representatives. Tell them why you are concerned about China, and express that as a voter you would like for something to be done. And for Pete's sake, don't say it's because of "the Chinese viurs". Use your head. Do you really think China targeted the U.S. with this virus? The entire globe is affected. Pretty terrible targeting, huh? If you are concerned about China as a security risk, do some homework and contact your elected leaders with legitimate concerns.
And while you're at it, tell them you want something done about Russia and that as a voter you won't stand for it.
it's possible the virus was a joint effort between factions of the US and China, although the virologist interviewed claims it was manufactured by the Chinese military...
Here's my question: if it is, in fact, a bioweapon, doesn't it seem rather weak? We've all heard of the mass numbers of false-positives, the low lethality rate, the 6% CDC figure, etc.
Perhaps I'm conditioned by Hollywood and expect any 'bioweapon' to be like something out of the movie Contagion lol
Or perhaps this was just a milder version trial run...
If we are thinking about motives, just remember that corporations and billionaires saw record, obscene levels profits because of the pandemic.
This despite the fact that one Jon Stewart gave them permission to allow it, to Stephen Colbert’s chagrin on Colbert’s show in June of ‘21. I have a liberal friend who told me, that was a cross the rubicon, BFD moment. The echo chamber is quite strong though.