Tribute to 02:20 Marathon

Cool. So all anyone has to do is give you a max HR and 2-3 easy 8-10 mile runs with HR and pace data and you can give them a 3k time?

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

do tell me wrote:

That means no progress made so far with the magical training

You are wrong as always! )) His best 3 k before is 9:25 and now his training points to 9:15 ......in relatively short time on the program. :)

You lie as always )) 3k tt on a treadmill in 9:25

In a race he had already run faster than 9:15

His 5k close to 16 minutes, he was already at that pace

Canefis wrote:

not this guy again wrote:

Ok.

Judging by your easy pace on treadmill and your heart rate during your medium long run, what do you predict your current 5km time is?

15:27 - 15:41

See what you mean

highhoppingworm wrote:

Cool. So all anyone has to do is give you a max HR and 2-3 easy 8-10 mile runs with HR and pace data and you can give them a 3k time?

No! )) I predict it from the 3 main factors for the result, maxVO2 pace, LT-pace and the aerobic power pace. You need to know all three factors because they interact together and all are equally important for a relatively reliable prediction.

Not kidding wrote:

Canefis wrote:

15:27 - 15:41

See what you mean

What say you, Corona time ????

do tell me wrote:

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

You are wrong as always! )) His best 3 k before is 9:25 and now his training points to 9:15 ......in relatively short time on the program. :)

You lie as always )) 3k tt on a treadmill in 9:25

In a race he had already run faster than 9:15

His 5k close to 16 minutes, he was already at that pace

I asked Slava himself and he has never raced faster than 9:25 at 3 k . The only thing you were right there is that it was on a treadmill. That I remembered wrong... ;)

43rd week:

Mo: easy @04:35-04:400

Tu: easy @04:35-04:40,

Today little went out of plans...

Did 04:18min/km, avg heart rate=149,

Made 2x400 @02:50-02:55 +2-3x03:56min/km in order to test legs for high pace.

Breezing is perfect,

Legs are better than yesterday, but still have some weakness for downhill course. Adaptation is continue...

How much did coach JS pay to coach you Canefis?

If the price is right I might be interested in trying too.

Morgana wrote:

How much did coach JS pay to coach you Canefis?

If the price is right I might be interested in trying too.

Very funny... :-))

Breezing?

Morgana wrote:

How much did coach JS pay to coach you Canefis?

If the price is right I might be interested in trying too.

Hahaha! Well.........price to hire me is no secret. 50-70 bucks ( or Euro) per month . Check my home page.A relatively low fee compared to more famous pro coaches.

Morgana wrote:

How much did coach JS pay to coach you Canefis?

If the price is right I might be interested in trying too.

So you are willing to pay Canefis to coach him? lol

Canefis wrote:

Building period (with Coach JS), INDOOR (400km per 1months),

Started VDOT=64

Current VDOT= approx 66-68...

On your first post, one month ago, you said your VDOT was 66-68.

That is equivalent to 8:48-9:02 for 3000m. And yet you have run a time trial of 9:25, VDOT 63.

Hey Jan, what bull$hit is this?

One month ago Canefis was supposed to be a lot faster.

Care to explain yet another inconsistency in your training?

rgfergr wrote:

Canefis wrote:

Building period (with Coach JS), INDOOR (400km per 1months),

Started VDOT=64

Current VDOT= approx 66-68...

On your first post, one month ago, you said your VDOT was 66-68.

That is equivalent to 8:48-9:02 for 3000m. And yet you have run a time trial of 9:25, VDOT 63.

Hey Jan, what bull$hit is this?

One month ago Canefis was supposed to be a lot faster.

Care to explain yet another inconsistency in your training?

Inconsistency?? Where from do you get all your false accusations?? The VDOTs were based on his paces at treadmill. Try another one.... ))

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

rgfergr wrote:

On your first post, one month ago, you said your VDOT was 66-68.

That is equivalent to 8:48-9:02 for 3000m. And yet you have run a time trial of 9:25, VDOT 63.

Hey Jan, what bull$hit is this?

One month ago Canefis was supposed to be a lot faster.

Care to explain yet another inconsistency in your training?

Inconsistency?? Where from do you get all your false accusations?? The VDOTs were based on his paces at treadmill. Try another one.... ))

False accusations?

Either that's the VDOT or it isn't.

So you lied to Canefis when you told him 66-68 VDOT.

The Wizard JS wrote:

I know from my own career that treadmill and "normal" running is very equivalent. Right now a VDOT of 67.4 and a possible time of 2:28 at the marathon. "Missions Impossible" )))

- Magic fall - :)

Euhh, you said here.....

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

rgfergr wrote:

On your first post, one month ago, you said your VDOT was 66-68.

That is equivalent to 8:48-9:02 for 3000m. And yet you have run a time trial of 9:25, VDOT 63.

Hey Jan, what bull$hit is this?

One month ago Canefis was supposed to be a lot faster.

Care to explain yet another inconsistency in your training?

Inconsistency?? Where from do you get all your false accusations?? The VDOTs were based on his paces at treadmill. Try another one.... ))

The Wizard JS wrote:

I know from my own career that treadmill and "normal" running is very equivalent. Right now a VDOT of 67.4 and a possible time of 2:28 at the marathon. "Missions Impossible" )))

- Magic fall - :)

Your own words

43rd week:

Mo: easy @04:37

Tu: easy @04:18

We: easy 60min @04:23,

avg heart rate=146, little bit faster than planned... ((

Breezing is ok

Legs are still not in optimal condition, adaptation is continue.

So that is the reason this thread has become so expansive. We have a real dude who is clearly working hard at training being told by JS he is much faster than he actually is. The entire premise of a sub 2:20 is completely bonkers if you actually look at the real data/training being laid out here. Even if the VDOT for a 3k was at a commensurate level to a 2:20 marathon the idea that someone could run a marathon at that VDOT level and a relatively new runner on low mileage in their first marathon is absurd.

It is actually really hard to pin down Canefis’ fitness IMHO given he has been running on what I suspect was a poorly calibrated treadmill for the last 4 months and hasn’t really done any workouts that allow for anyone to gauge race specific fitness. It will be interesting to follow as he runs some races in the next month or so and starts doing some land based workouts.