COVID 19 resurgence in Spain is a warning to the US

Swaglord_the_real_one_1_1 wrote:

If I was >55 years old, I wouldn't risk it at all.

You are at far greater risk riding in your car than you are from Covid

Dude you and Roy need to get on point on your Sweden slamming. It's stopped because Swedes all go and live in cabins in the woods over the summer completely apart from everyone but their own family. Love the narrative about places that haven't flipped out and how the individuals took measures into their own hands to save themselves. Heard the same thing about South Dakota before I went there. Plenty of indoor dining, no masks, packed streets in tourist places, you can go get a beer if you want.

Covid cases in Florida have gone steadily down as have deaths. Yes, there were spikes the last two days because of the reporting mess around holidays. Despite their elderly population Florida is only a little above Sweden in deaths per million and is well on the way to herd immunity.

You won't get an answer wrote:

Be smarter fella wrote:

No it hasn’t, the first Or second quarter of 2021 has always been the projected date for anyone following this.

There nothing to suggest that we won’t have a vaccine in two or three years, stop with the dramatics.

Except for the fact that no viable vaccine has ever been developed and testing in less than that before. But, yeah, besides that there's nothing to suggest it could take 2-3 years...

https://discoveries.childrenshospital.org/covid-19-vaccine/

"The fastest vaccine developed to date has been for mumps, and that took four years."

I think the speed of development isn't the big deal. The big deal is that most people are going to refuse to take the vaccine when it first becomes available.

Last flu season, only 37% of adults got the flu shot. I think that will drop to 20% for the COVID 19 vaccine.

The best approach is exercise, weight control, and vitamin supplementation. Specifically, that would be a multivitamin with high amounts of B vitamins, vitamin C, D3, zinc, and melatonin. There's more that people can do, but that would be a good start for most Americans.

fisky wrote:

The best approach is exercise, weight control, and vitamin supplementation. Specifically, that would be a multivitamin with high amounts of B vitamins, vitamin C, D3, zinc, and melatonin. There's more that people can do, but that would be a good start for most Americans.

You would think this is just common sense in general, despite Covid, but it’s anathema to most Americans. This is why nationalized healthcare will never work in this country and will be ridiculously costly if ever implemented. We are a nation of lazy, obese people. Plus an aging population.

Aren’t Swedes back from holiday? Surely all of them didn’t leave simultaneously?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

fisky wrote:

I think the speed of development isn't the big deal. The big deal is that most people are going to refuse to take the vaccine when it first becomes available.

Last flu season, only 37% of adults got the flu shot. I think that will drop to 20% for the COVID 19 vaccine.

The best approach is exercise, weight control, and vitamin supplementation. Specifically, that would be a multivitamin with high amounts of B vitamins, vitamin C, D3, zinc, and melatonin. There's more that people can do, but that would be a good start for most Americans.

I think a lot more American's will get it than that. The flu % was in the pre Covid era where people didn't think as much about viruses. I bet that flu shot % is closer to 60%.

I think the % that get the Covid vaccine will be lower than the flu shot due to the stigma mentioned, which is a legitimate concern for a vaccine rolled out in record time. But I think the group more likely to get it in the white-collar class is also the group who has had less exposure. While many who will refuse are in the category who are more likely to already have been exposed. So given those two factors, I think if that vaccine is even mildly effective it will do a good job of getting us there.

You won't get an answer wrote:

Be smarter fella wrote:

No it hasn’t, the first Or second quarter of 2021 has always been the projected date for anyone following this.

There nothing to suggest that we won’t have a vaccine in two or three years, stop with the dramatics.

Except for the fact that no viable vaccine has ever been developed and testing in less than that before. But, yeah, besides that there's nothing to suggest it could take 2-3 years...

https://discoveries.childrenshospital.org/covid-19-vaccine/

"The fastest vaccine developed to date has been for mumps, and that took four years."

You’re not comparing like with like. I could take the time to explain for you but what’s the point? Wait and see, it will NOT be four years for a covid vaccine.

You won't get an answer wrote:

Be smarter fella wrote:

No it hasn’t, the first Or second quarter of 2021 has always been the projected date for anyone following this.

There nothing to suggest that we won’t have a vaccine in two or three years, stop with the dramatics.

Except for the fact that no viable vaccine has ever been developed and testing in less than that before. But, yeah, besides that there's nothing to suggest it could take 2-3 years...

https://discoveries.childrenshospital.org/covid-19-vaccine/

"The fastest vaccine developed to date has been for mumps, and that took four years."

Fast tracking, a comparison with the mumps or past vaccines doesn’t translate well here.

Ask Israel how the Swedish model is working out. Sweden will see a surge of cases this fall. The Swedes have excellent testing/tracing and public health measures. With low infection rates, they should be able to contain an outbreak. But they do not have herd immunity. Just look at the prison cases. San Quentin reached about 80% infected. If there was magical Swedish herd immunity, San Quentin would have never reached such a high level of infection. And there are now a long list of countries that are losing the battle with COVID 19 but are seeing no sign of herd immunity.

Precious Roy wrote:

Ask Israel how the Swedish model is working out.

Huh?

Israel has been one of the most restrictive countries from the get-go in terms of mask mandates, curfews & lockdowns. Their policies have nothing in common with Sweden's.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

You're pretending that Sweden isn't still practicing distancing and acting responsibly as far as gatherings and things of that nature. That is precisely what they are doing. They even don't want to encourage mask-wearing because they think that will make people more reckless.

I'm not pretending - they're not practicing distancing and all the jazz as much as you think. This is a couple of weeks ago in downtown Stockholm during their vintage car show. People are walking & mingling close together - not afraid to be near people like in this U.S. And noticed the older Swedes walking around without masks actually enjoying life and not scared rabbits.

Here's also video from last week of their annual street racing series. Look at crowds of young people packed in like sardines along the courses:

Swedes don't wear masks because they're unhealthy! And how else are you supposed to achieve herd immunity if everyone is forced to wear a face diaper? And they're unhealthy wearing them everyday week after week. They collect microorganisms when you sweat and you end up breathing in your own germs that should be expelled from your body. Ask yourself: were humans designed to wear facial diapers as the normal function of living?

And yet as the case numbers go up, the death and hospitalization rates remain stagnant or even drop.

So basically this virus is a nothing burger. Consider the fact that only 6% of people dying from covid died from covid alone, and you've got, well, an overblown media hoax.

some people would have us stay locked down till 2022, all the while ignoring the incredibly deleterious effects on health. The lockdowns have hurt more than hindered.

People who aren't brainwashed can see this...

suree wrote:

And yet as the case numbers go up, the death and hospitalization rates remain stagnant or even drop.

So basically this virus is a nothing burger. Consider the fact that only 6% of people dying from covid died from covid alone, and you've got, well, an overblown media hoax.

some people would have us stay locked down till 2022, all the while ignoring the incredibly deleterious effects on health. The lockdowns have hurt more than hindered.

People who aren't brainwashed can see this...

A 6% death rate for a virus alone is absolutely massive.

Compare with the HIV virus or typical flu virus. It’s not the virus alone that kills, we all know this.

Israel and the rest of the Middle East are blowing up with COVID in spite of extensive testing, tightly controlled societies and extensive mask wearing. You know, all of the things Precious claimed would cure the virus. On a per capita basis Israel (over 4 times the number of new documented cases per capita), Bahrain (3.8 times), and Kuwait (1.5 times) are seeing caseloads increase at far greater rates than the US. Officially, there are 22 countries (a lot of poorer countries are likely not tracking things as closely) seeing cases increase at faster rates than the US (primarily in the Middle East, southern Europe (including Spain and France), South America and the Caribbean (Aruba added the equivalent of over seven times the new number of cases per capita than the US yesterday). Sweden is not seeing much growth. This is part herd immunity and part lack of air conditioning. It is not a coincidence that Spain and France have some of the highest percentages of buildings with air conditioning in Europe. The other European countries will likely start to see numbers kick back up when it turns to heating season (same with the northern US, other than New York and some northeastern locales where there is already a large degree of herd immunity). As a country we are probably at a point where about 25% of the population that has had this. Growth will pick up a little in the winter depending on how well people follow mask mandates (the best way to curb the virus and still maintain the economy).

LIFE SUCKS, LET ME FREE wrote:

If the choice is between COVID and lockdowns, I choose COVID.

threadmill sucks indeed

Be smarter fella wrote:

suree wrote:

And yet as the case numbers go up, the death and hospitalization rates remain stagnant or even drop.

So basically this virus is a nothing burger. Consider the fact that only 6% of people dying from covid died from covid alone, and you've got, well, an overblown media hoax.

some people would have us stay locked down till 2022, all the while ignoring the incredibly deleterious effects on health. The lockdowns have hurt more than hindered.

People who aren't brainwashed can see this...

A 6% death rate for a virus alone is absolutely massive.

Compare with the HIV virus or typical flu virus. It’s not the virus alone that kills, we all know this.

Look at your own handle and try to justify it.

6% death rate for a virus alone? lol no.

And the cases in Spain are going up while deaths remain very low.

Funny how the usual suspects ignore this.

Check your drink next time you go to the IHME Ball- they may have spiked it. Here's an excellent article on the fabrication of the "second wave."

https://lockdownsceptics.org/addressing-the-cv19-second-wave/

I noticed this in my own country (the Netherlands) as well. We are pretty close to what it was in march/april in cases (~700-900 a day), but we are getting between 2 to 4 deaths a day, compared to around 100 a day in the first wave.

It seems like the virus has gotten way weaker and isnt having the same effect as it had back then.

Meanwhile, in Wuhan, life looks awesome. When China is more free than the US, you know we've got a problem.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/23/world/asia/china-coronavirus-normal-life.html