Dr. Fauci says herd immunity is "not a fundamental strategy" to combat coronavirus

You are right and way too smart for this board.

rejecting bad data wrote:

#FireFauci

Excellent work, Comrade. Vlad will be pleased.

To pursue herd immunity is a roadmap for disaster, because that would lead to the deaths of 1-2 million people.

A bully and a figurehead. Who does that sound like? Surely not one of the most cited scientists of our time.

Interesting your take on this Roy. I don't know if you know this but Gain of Function research is a controversial technique virologists have been using to try and predict how viruses that make a jump from humans may behave. This is happening all over the world not just in China. There was a public funding ban on it in the US under Obama due to its dangers, since lifted. None of the scientists who believe this may have been a leak believe it was intentional or that the Chinese were trying to develop a weapon. It was suggested that it was a research virus that is allowed per international law that accidentally escaped. This would not be unprecedented. There have been documented lab leaks of the ebola and Spanish Flu viruses. There has been a documented leak in our BSL-4 Galveston National Laboratory.

There is reason to take this seriously. The bat to Pangolin theory is highly suspect because COVID has traits from the original bat virus that were not present in the Pangolin virus where the Furin site was found. Not to mention Pangolins and the bat where the original virus was collected don't really interact in nature. The Wuhan lab also magically discovered the Coronavirus they claim was the source of COVID-19 in January of this year, months after this pandemic started. Somehow they allegedly collected this sample in 2013 but didn't actually code the virus until 2 months after the pandemic started, what a coincidence! It is not a secret that the Wuhan labs are doing Gain of Function research on bat born coronaviruses, they are the leading sites for this in the world. A brand new virus that resembles something that has been modified surfaces a wet market a mile away from one of the two labs in the world at the forefront of modification of these type of viruses for research purposes. Nothing to see here. Even the Chinese now admit it didn't surface at the initial wet market.

In fact, in 2018 there was a US intelligence cable that specifically mentioned concern that a modified bat originated Coronavirus would escape from these labs due to a lack of proper protocol. It is possible this was from nature but the circumstances, but actions taken by the Chinese after are highly suspicious and it definitely warrants investigation. The misinformation campaign done by Dascak and other virus researchers to protect their own work is extremely troubling. This is something credible we should be looking at but some in the scientific community are trying to block it in order to protect the stoppage of their own work.

The Coronavirus couldn't have come out of a lab:

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html

jamin wrote:

People are tired of this guy. Even on the MSNBC channel 2/3 of the votes for the video are thumbs down.

That's why we don't conduct science by popular vote.

Become an expert and devote your entire professional life to something, then what you think may matter.

Or devote your entire life to science and study and be honest - admit you just don't know.

What the heck are you talking about? Scientist willing to shame, or the most political? The left or right don't understand science? probably, but what does that have to do with the science?

I don't know where you get your science or if you understand how science works. For most things they understand 99.9+% scientist are in agreement on how things work. For some covid related things and bleeding edge topics it may be lower, but that large majority opinion is the "scientific reality"

Regarding politics and no longer voting democrat, I don't know what to say, cool story?

Fauci is a mule for Big Pharma- that's it. Anyone who claims Fauci is "a public servant" or "intelligent scientist" is simply ignorant. Fauci is a career bureaucrat and a reliable pusher for the death machine that is Big Pharma.

October 2009: Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), goes on YouTube to declare that serious adverse events for the H1N1 influenza vaccine are “very, very, very rare.” Months later, serious adverse events such as miscarriages, narcolepsy and febrile convulsions explode in multiple countries.

2010

2012: Christine Grady, wife of Anthony Fauci since 1985, becomes head of the Department of Bioethics at the National Institutes of Health Clinical Center, opening up the possibility of numerous conflicts of interest concerning vaccines, HIV and COVID-19. Grady previously served in the Department of Bioethics as an investigator (2004-2012), senior staff bioethicist (1996-2004) and head of the Section on Human Subjects Research (1998-2014). Like her husband, Grady has made HIV a central career focus, including stints on the Scientific Advisory Board of the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (which Fauci helped launch), as a paid consultant for the WHO and UNAIDS and, in 1987-1988, as a staffer for President Reagan’s Commission on the HIV Epidemic. Grady’s 1995 book is titled The Search for an AIDS Vaccine. Fauci, who became NIAID director in 1984 under Reagan, holds a number of HIV-vaccine-related patents.

When ABC’s “Nightline” approached Mullis about participating in a documentary on himself, he instead urged them to focus their attention on the HIV debate. “That’s a much more important story,” he told the producers, who up to that point had never acknowledged the controversy. In the end, “Nightline” ran a two-part series, the first on Kary Mullis, the second on the HIV debate. Mullis was hired by ABC for a two-week period, to act as their scientific consultant and direct them to sources.

The show was superb, and represented a historic turning point, possibly even the end of the seven-year media blackout on the HIV debate. But it still didn’t fulfill Mullis’ ultimate fantasy. “What ABC needs to do,” says Mullis, “is talk to [Chairman of the National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) Dr. Anthony] Fauci and [Dr. Robert] Gallo [one of the discoverers of HIV] and show that they’re assholes, which I could do in ten minutes.”

zxczxcv wrote:

The Coronavirus couldn't have come out of a lab:

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html

I think it's more complicated than that article makes it seem.

1) you can engineer viruses without making rational mutations. Simply passaging infected cell lines will tend to select for more infective variants thanks to random mutation alone. Most protein/strain engineering involves random mutation to some extent

2) this doesn't rule out accidental release of a wild strain that was being cataloged in a lab.

I am not caught up on the most contemporary theories, but to me it is a weird coincidence that the closest related coronavirus, RaTG13, was found by scientists from Wuhan working far away in the Yunnan province. Then -- the outbreak starts in Wuhan. Plenty of counterarguments and alternative theories, I'm sure, I'd be interested to hear them.

Curiously, EVERY single google search result that features what you copied here is advocating for "getting our freedoms back"

Have you looked at the miscarriage statistics with/without the vaccine? The effect has been studied well.

Harambe wrote:

zxczxcv wrote:

The Coronavirus couldn't have come out of a lab:

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html

I think it's more complicated than that article makes it seem.

1) you can engineer viruses without making rational mutations. Simply passaging infected cell lines will tend to select for more infective variants thanks to random mutation alone. Most protein/strain engineering involves random mutation to some extent

2) this doesn't rule out accidental release of a wild strain that was being cataloged in a lab.

I am not caught up on the most contemporary theories, but to me it is a weird coincidence that the closest related coronavirus, RaTG13, was found by scientists from Wuhan working far away in the Yunnan province. Then -- the outbreak starts in Wuhan. Plenty of counterarguments and alternative theories, I'm sure, I'd be interested to hear them.

What..?.?.?.?.? Harambe and I may have just found a topic we are able to find common ground on! Kill the thread.

There is a lot of weirdness about how the virus ended up in Wuhan and the whole story from China on this. Also that the RaTG13 strain which COVID is related to was not published by the Wuhan researchers this year after the pandemic started although they collected it 7 years ago in the mentioned province over 1000 miles away.

When viruses jump from animals to humans they are very poorly suited for human infection and the spread usually stops before anyone know it started. But COVID was instantly highly infectious. This is highly suggestive of #1, it could have been given the chance to develop the ability to spread more easily in human cells. How infectious COVID is, is unprecedented. Usually, there is a stage where it would be less infectious then evolve to be more infectious to better suit transfer among humans. We have not found that less infectious stage at this point but that does not mean it does not exist.

On a topic of this magnitude why haven't we seen Fauci debate say John Ioannidis on national television.

I think I know why.

Allen53 wrote:

On a topic of this magnitude why haven't we seen Fauci debate say John Ioannidis on national television.

I think I know why.

An open discussion like that would certainly be interesting and informative, but it wouldn't make any impact on the "this is America and I do as I want" crowd . By the way, he's been directly asked if he supported the lockdown and he 100% agreed that was the way to go.

Clown World Resident wrote:

Thelonesomeloser wrote:

People might be tired of you too but unlike you this guy has made large contributions to society.

Such as? Genuine question. While he seems like a nice guy and a 4:01 marathoner, I don't know what he or the large bureaucracy he's led has contributed to society.

That's because you know noting about his field of expertise.

His job has been made incredibly difficult due to the nitwit in th ewhite house who has undermined medical strategy.

And for your interest, herd immunity is notprotective. Basically it says if the majority of the popualtion get the disease, the less likely it will spread further. becasue, you know, there is no one left to infect.

If you think that the a federal spending deficit will cause inflation in the United States then you have not been paying attention to macroeconomics for the last forty years.

soandanother wrote:

If you think that the a federal spending deficit will cause inflation in the United States then you have not been paying attention to macroeconomics for the last forty years.

This pretty much should end the thread. Well done

Haha.. I promise I'm not totally disagreeable, see!

There are some theories I've seen about the miners infected with a mysterious respiratory disease in Yunnan. It all started with that master's thesis people paid to get translated. The idea is that these miners working in bat caves provided an ideal 'passaging' environment for proto-COVID strains to evolve for better human infection. When the miners got sick, some of their tissues were taken to the Wuhan lab... and possibly escaped later?

It's just really hard for me to get past the fact that the virus seemingly traveled like 1000 miles from its closest sampled relative -- into the city with a lab that does that exact kind of sampling.

Anyway, crazy stuff. I think we have a lot to learn. I think GoF research is risky and I think anyone sampling and cataloging zoonoses needs to be very careful.