Jakob is running the 1500 in Brussels. Will he go under 3:30 again?

Loppas wrote:

Tell me which country in the world have had less busts!

The Vatican.

Pajac wrote:

Loppas wrote:

Tell me which country in the world have had less busts!

The Vatican.

Ok, but I guess the pope is full of dope?

Nothing more pathetic than Coevett cowering begins other handles that are a ripoff of another poster.

*behind

Wow, reading this thread makes me sad.

So many pathetic, jealous, unsubstantiated comments and theories here.

Tim and Jakob are both great runners, with Tim certainly the more accomplished and better racer at this time. Neither have tested positive or broken any doping violations to date based on what we know.

The Jakob-has-peaked argument has been used since he was 16, and it is still wrong. At one point it will be correct, but we do not know when that is yet. Why do certain people have such strong emotions and hatred towards Jakob? I love the discussions and projections on both runners. It is fun to theorize and have a heated discussion.

However, it should be based more on facts and stats rather than anecdotals and malice.

I predict a great future for Jakob!

With so many haters/ negativists obsessed with him from a very young age he must really be something!

Too bad Tim is doped up to the teeth. So unfair to Jakob...

99% chance that he has a few more years of improvement. He is a youngster.

Timonroids wrote:

Too bad Tim is doped up to the teeth. So unfair to Jakob...

xD lol

No.

I didn't say he hasn't got the speed - I said he hasn't got the GRIT. No, he's not mentally tough. What he does, he does easily. Which is amazing - but like so many amazing "talents," that has already run into the brick wall of adversity. Not up to the challenge. Can't take it to the next level. Afraid of the big fight.

Timonroids wrote:

Too bad Tim is doped up to the teeth. So unfair to Jakob...

I know, huh!?

I mean, Jakob is only doped to the gills.

Doesn't compare, and totally unfair!!!

I didn't say he hasn't got the speed - I said he hasn't got the GRIT. No, he's not mentally tough. What he does, he does easily. Which is amazing - but like so many amazing "talents," that has already run into the brick wall of adversity. Not up to the challenge. Can't take it to the next level. Afraid of the big fight.[/quote

Afraid. Not the grit. Not up to the challenge. Ok, but how do you KNOW that? By watching TV? Strange "analysis". But, right, you did'nt mention the speed. To go after the best runner in the world as he did in Monaco .... at least quit amazing. And then you are using inductive method. Do you do that often from where you come from? You are not very balanced in your views. Though, he is coached very carefully.

So does anyone know what kind of pace is being asked for tomorrow?

Agreed. I don't see him going sub-3:30 without someone to chase unless the rabbits do a very, very good job.

Like, 56-1:52-2:20 through 1K and then he grinds out a 1:09 last 500.

Your numbers add up to a 3:29, so do you see him not going under 3:30 or can you not add?

KaareV wrote:

To go after the best runner in the world as he did in Monaco .... at least quit amazing.

Ironically you sum it all up quite nicely here. Yes, he went after the best runner in the world, and quit.

Both of his brothers have some grit, but not as much "talent." They come in 2nd and 3rd all the time too, but they get there the hard way.

Bad Wigins wrote:

KaareV wrote:

To go after the best runner in the world as he did in Monaco .... at least quit amazing.

Ironically you sum it all up quite nicely here. Yes, he went after the best runner in the world, and quit.

Both of his brothers have some grit, but not as much "talent." They come in 2nd and 3rd all the time too, but they get there the hard way.

Yeah sure Jakob quit. Where in the hell did you see that? Even in the last 50 Tim was not running faster than Jakob. He just couldn't overcome the gap. It was the first race I've seen since Tim became the #1 where he looked back several times during the last lap. And man if your main training partner gets banned from the sport you are suspect as anyone can be. I wasn't one to say Tim is a doper but now his credibility and everyone else's at the camp is tarnished forever.

ShilohDoesntCare wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

[quote]KaareV wrote:

To go after the best runner in the world as he did in Monaco .... at least quit amazing.

Yeah sure Jakob quit. Where in the hell did you see that? Even in the last 50 Tim was not running faster than Jakob. He just couldn't overcome the gap. It was the first race I've seen since Tim became the #1 where he looked back several times during the last lap. And man if your main training partner gets banned from the sport you are suspect as anyone can be. I wasn't one to say Tim is a doper but now his credibility and everyone else's at the camp is tarnished forever.

+1

Arguments for Timmy doping - 60+ Kenyan busts in 5 years, a rate that is increasing almost exponentially as testing goes from non-existent to reasonably tea money existing (despite Covid), 1 in 6 of leading male Kenyans busted in the last 5 years, 3 of the 5 male medalists from London 2017 already busted, multiple Kenyan middle-distance runners busted, including the two 1500m Kenyans from the last decade who have ran as fast as Timmy, one of whom is Timmy's close training partner , and the other being that training partner's mentor and close buddy.

Arguments for Jakob doping - he is white and runs as fast as East Africans. Therefore he must be doping. Anyone who disagrees is a white supremacist.

ShilohDoesntCare wrote:

Yeah sure Jakob quit. Where in the hell did you see that? Even in the last 50 Tim was not running faster than Jakob.

With 200m to go Jakob is on Tim's shoulder, and with 100m to go Tim ramps it up and Jakob has zero response.

Tim didn't need to run faster by 50m to go, though he easily could have. He kept checking to make sure Jakob was outta fire, ran only as fast as necessary.

If Jakob really wanted to WIN, he'd at least come up with something for a finish, instead of just meekly cruising in a few meters back every time. It's easy! Grit your teeth, dig deep, hate your opponent, run faster, send them home devastated. But you have to actually have the right killer instinct to go to that level. I don't believe Jakob does.