Covid Death Odds: Are You In The 99.99% Group?

Dem's overwhelmingly supported the wars. BO's administration expanded the wars.

Joe Biden loved telling everybody how he 'authored' the Patriot Act.

Your beloved, moral, ethical, for the people Democratic 'leaders' are mass-murderers.

Patterns... wrote:

Dem's overwhelmingly supported the wars. BO's administration expanded the wars.

Joe Biden loved telling everybody how he 'authored' the Patriot Act.

Your beloved, moral, ethical, for the people Democratic 'leaders' are mass-murderers.

Bernie Sanders?

Patterns... wrote:

Dem's overwhelmingly supported the wars. BO's administration expanded the wars.

Joe Biden loved telling everybody how he 'authored' the Patriot Act.

Your beloved, moral, ethical, for the people Democratic 'leaders' are mass-murderers.

These are facts- anyone can look it up.

zxczxcv wrote:

Patterns... wrote:

9/11 was a ruse to start wars that have killed far more, genius.

9/11 was real and it was terrible. What I am comparing is the Republican thirst for foreign wars, internal surveillance, and enormous spending prompted by 9/11, the sense of an existential crisis, to the Republican sense of business as usual with a crisis involving far, far more deaths, indeed, a 9/11 of deaths every three days in this country.

All of those wars were bi-partisan affairs.

If you think the defining issue of our time is Dems v. Repubs you're beyond hopeless.

coach wrote:

Patterns... wrote:

Dem's overwhelmingly supported the wars. BO's administration expanded the wars.

Joe Biden loved telling everybody how he 'authored' the Patriot Act.

Your beloved, moral, ethical, for the people Democratic 'leaders' are mass-murderers.

Bernie Sanders?

I don't dislike Bernie to the extent that I view the majority of the D party, but I do dislike how Bernie has proven himself a sellout to the party.

He and his supporters have been screwed twice now, and he and many of his supporters are supporting the very entity that did the screwing.

To him its the lesser of two evils.

coach wrote:

To him its the lesser of two evils.

Right. A party that expanded the wars they claimed to be against, all in on domestic mass-surveillance, a media that is largely in collusion with that party, and openly screws its own constituents in Presidential primary's, and don't forget, an intelligence apparatus that has been caught in collusion with this party to frame and remove an elected President, is the lesser of two evils.

Pure insanity.

Allen53 wrote:

Patterns... wrote:

Dem's overwhelmingly supported the wars. BO's administration expanded the wars.

Joe Biden loved telling everybody how he 'authored' the Patriot Act.

Your beloved, moral, ethical, for the people Democratic 'leaders' are mass-murderers.

These are facts- anyone can look it up.

The facts are that BO voted against the war when he was in the Senate. He also pulled the troops out of Iraq, for which he was criticized by Repubs, including Trump.

You can criticize BO for a lot of things but he inherited 2 wars upon entering office that he had not supported.

Do you have boots on the ground in China? It seems highly improbable that you have any accurate information pertaining to Chinas economy given the fact that they are neurotically secretive and extremely active and involved in disseminating misinformation. It wasn’t long ago that massive “Ghost Cities” were being erected. Empty buildings still indicates growth right?

He didn't say he had the information. He was linking to a survey of Global CFOs of companies that do business in China or with Chinese companies.

crackerjack wrote:

Allen53 wrote:

These are facts- anyone can look it up.

The facts are that BO voted against the war when he was in the Senate. He also pulled the troops out of Iraq, for which he was criticized by Repubs, including Trump.

You can criticize BO for a lot of things but he inherited 2 wars upon entering office that he had not supported.

What part of 'expanded the wars' do you not understand? His Senate voting record means jack if he is going to turn around and make it all worse by doing exactly what he voted against.

Btw, we currently have a President that is not expanding war, and trying to get us out of what we have been in.

old news wrote:

WFH mileage wrote:

Yes, but my parents aren’t. I think they want to see their grandchildren grow up.

And do they also want the lives of the other 99.9 to be shutdown just so they can see their grandkids grow up???

Such a ridiculous premise.

You wish to balance having to wear a mask, or having business shuit down for a pweriod, versus being shutdown and buried.

And the other issue is the use of percentages instead of lives.

.1% of our populatation is 330,000 people.

Granted its lot of younger people who are stepping up and catching the virus, but I see them as part of the normal cull of stupid people. We'll likely be at that number in side another 6 months.

And don;t expect the vaccine to help, because your anti maskers / vaxxers can't help their stupidity.

If there is one single sentence to make point about how disingenuous you are, it is...

Scientists don't use 'lives' by number. This is completely indicative of your appeal to emotion and 'OMG! Look at the number!'

How many deaths are enough for you, OP?

& how would that chart look if we removed all social distancing measures?

crackerjack wrote:

Allen53 wrote:

These are facts- anyone can look it up.

The facts are that BO voted against the war when he was in the Senate. He also pulled the troops out of Iraq, for which he was criticized by Repubs, including Trump.

You can criticize BO for a lot of things but he inherited 2 wars upon entering office that he had not supported.

Please don't get into this debate with me you will get demolished.

The short list on Obama the "peace" president:

Dropped bombs in 7 countries (all predominantly Muslim).

Sent 3,500 U.S. troops and tanks to Russia's doorstep in one of his final decisions as president.

Ordered ten times more drone strikes than Bush.

Dropped 26,171 bombs in 2016 alone (an average of 72 bombs every day).

Put boots on the ground in Syria , despite 16 times saying "no boots on the ground".

Despite campaign pledges, planned a $1 trillion program to add more nuclear weapons to the US arsenal in the next 30 years.

Joked about his use of drones - I'm "really good at killing people".

Deported a record 2 million immigrants.

Just like Trump, separated immigrant children from their families.

Signed the Monsanto Protection Act into law.

Started a new phase of the war in Iraq.

Initiated and oversaw a 'Secret Kill List'.

Pushed for war on Syria while siding with al-Qaeda.

Knowingly funded a designated al-Qaeda affiliate.

Backed neo-Nazis in Ukraine.

Supported Israel's wars and occupation of Palestine.

Deployed Special Ops to 134 countries - compared to 60 under Bush.

Drastically escalated the NSA spying program.

Signed the NDAA into law - making it legal to assassinate Americans w/o charge or trial.

Gave Bush absolute immunity for everything.

Pushed for a TPP Trade Pact.

Started a new war on terror - this one on ISIS.

Signed more executive memoranda than any other president in history.

Transferred more than $100 billion in arms sales to Saudi Arabia, more than any other administration in history.

Signed an agreement for 7 military bases in Colombia.

Touted nuclear power , even after the disaster in Japan.

Opened up deepwater oil drilling, even after the BP disaster.

Mandated the Insider Threat Program which orders federal employees to report suspicious actions of their colleagues.

Defended body scans and pat-downs at airports.

Signed the Patriot Act extension into law.

Launched 20,000 Airstrikes in his first term.

Continued Bush's rendition program.

Waged war on Libya without congressional approval.

Started a covert, drone war in Yemen.

Escalated the proxy war in Somalia.

Escalated the CIA drone war in Pakistan.

Sharply escalated the war in Afghanistan.

Repealed the Propaganda ban, making it legal to spread government propaganda via news outlets.

Assassinated 4 US citizens with drone strikes.

NERunner053 wrote:

How many deaths are enough for you, OP?

& how would that chart look if we removed all social distancing measures?

More anti-science fear mongering.

There would be zero "more deaths" without the anti-social distancing measures.

Look into what happened in the nursing homes and then do something about it. There was never a pandemic. You swallowed the lies of the media parrots.

WFH mileage wrote:

Yes, but my parents aren’t. I think they want to see their grandchildren grow up.

That's a joke response right?

So the world should revolve around the safety and well-being of your parents? So you parents aren't in the "99.99%" category but in the "95's"?

Did you know that your odds of dying in an automobile accident are 1/103 which means your chance of surviving is 102/103 or the same as covid-19. Should we forego driving cars to save your f$$king parents?

You know dealing statement like this from uninformed clowns who simply get a little rush of cortisol, default to their own little worlds of self-importance and post stuff like this is such a fun game to me.

It's these attitudes of self-importance and righteousness which pervade both ends of the spectrum on this topic ("covid will eradicate the human race!!!!" and "covid is a manufactured conspiracy") which are the reason the US completely botched this entire situation worse than any other nation have completed f%$ked itself socially and economically.

So congrats on being a huge part of that reality.

Are you insane or just ignorant of the facts.

1. Plenty of places have had a 2nd wave.

2. I'd argue the recent surge through the sunbelt isn't a 2nd wave. It's their first wave.

I'm all for arguing about we should have done a more stringent lockdown but I don't like to argue with people who don't argue honestly. To me, it should have been obvious to everyone that you either do a chinese style lockdown and then prohibit foreigners or it's going to come back.

YMMV wrote:

Any country that is an island gets a YUGE F---ing asterisk when it comes to this topic. I am much, much more impressed by Hong Kong which is far more densely populated, urban and land-connected to the country of origin for this pathogen: 84 deaths. The main differentiating stats I can find for HK is the world's highest meat consumption per capita and the longest life expectancy.

Vietnam has a much longer border with China, and close to 100 million people. Only 32 deaths so far. And guess what? Their meat consumption is about half of the US.

Well, I should have been more clear in that I was referring to a second wave of deaths, not cases. We had a peak in deaths in spring in the NE and another peak in deaths in the sunbelt in the summer. There are no other countries in Europe that had a distinct second peak in deaths that I can see, but looking at some more data both Australia, Iran, and Japan have had second peaks in deaths. And the situation in Australia and Iran was much worse the second time so I stand corrected on my original statement.

And I was really trying to address the spread once it was in the US. It was originally mostly confined to the NE and then took several months more to spread to the sunbelt in large numbers.