Most hyped accomplished least track athlete?

Obviouslee wrote:

Two overhyped ones are:

1) McLaughlin

2)Brazier

Hype around both has been especially nauseating. Every time they are going to race it's about how easily will one of them break the world record. Obvious to everyone already is that they have already peaked and will accomplish nothing significant. Doesn't help them that they both have childish awkward/princessy behavior probably due to some heavy insecurities.

Brazier has AR and a WC gold

McLaughlin is number 2 performer all time and WC silver. Neither of them are overhyped in general. You’re the one with childish insecurities.

Didn't she run a 15:15 indoors like 3 months after giving birth? Had she kept her mouth shut about wanting to win Olympic Gold so quickly she wouldn't be hyped very much. Klecker is the clear choice for me. Whoever decided on how to promote him knows next to nothing about the sport. King Klecker with 0 NCAA titles looking like a pauper compared to King Cheserek.

korir being the fastest 400/800 doubler is incredibly immense

shootpost wrote:

gwenjorgenSTOP wrote:

No one is more unnecessarily hyped than Gwen Jorgensen, and it's made worse by so much of that hype coming from herself. She has literally no calibre at an elite level and needs to be dropped by Nike ASAP, unless they're just keeping her on because of her youtube channel. She is accomplished in a different sport but is a waste of Nike's money in T&F/Marathon. Stop jumping around events/distances, and go back to what you're good at. There are college kids better than you.

See you don't get it. You don't what pro runners are paid for. They are paid to promote the brand. Not really run fast.

Gwen is one of Nike's best runners in terms of promotion.

Stop being a hater. Understand the business.

Thank you. Glad that some people get it.

Shelby Houlihan, without question. She has good times but no hardware, I don't think she's ever even won a Diamond League race. She needs to make a step up because she's obviously talented.

German Fernandez

runderun wrote:

Shelby Houlihan, without question. She has good times but no hardware, I don't think she's ever even won a Diamond League race. She needs to make a step up because she's obviously talented.

^There’s 2 DL wins for your education

12 national titles between indoors and out, American records at 1500/5k...you must be trolling.

Strange pick. Record hokder in 1500 and 5k yet I don't feel gets a ridiculous amount of publicity.

All White Athletes are over Hyped compared to Black to Athletes and People of Color of the same ability! Black Athletes and People of Color have to out perform White Athletes to get the same recogination, big contracts, and media coverage. " And now you know the rest of the story!”

I am pretty sure Gwen's contract is incentive and performance based just like any sponsored Nike runner. If she was primarily signed to promote the brand, they would have made her an ambassador. If she can't make a team or rank high enough in USAs, no doubt she will be cut from Bowerman no matter how large her following.

Nike is a huge company and people who buy their running gear never heard of Gwen, Bowerman, Rupp, or Kipchoge. Making it to the Olympics brings the largest commercial exposure. Viewers may not recognize the individual, but a collective sea of florescent shoes makes a billboard statement. All Nike can hope for is that Gwen is one of those runners.

seasoned ranker wrote:

The original response got it right - Jordan Hasay.

second fastest US marathoner....EVER....c'mon son!

runderun wrote:

Shelby Houlihan, without question. She has good times but no hardware, I don't think she's ever even won a Diamond League race. She needs to make a step up because she's obviously talented.

bruh.....two american records WITH EASE and you think she don't deserve the hype?!?! you tripppppppin!!!!!

Obviouslee wrote:

westsouthrunner wrote:

Jakob

7th all time in the 1500 for the 19 year old. Massive. Absolutely massive accomplishment!

Take a look at all the others mentioned. Webb, Ritz, Centro, Korir, Ches, Brazier, etc etc. None have as high an accomplishment and some are even far far down the all time tables.

8th overall, same place as Webb on the mile performance list just saying.

Also I think he is a great runner. mostly Letsrun forum posters overhype him. I actually like his style he just had some poor tactics in doha.

This thread should be framed by the context of athelets who have retired. The sophomoric fanboi bantering about Brazier, Sydney or any currently competing athlete (besides a Gwen who's fallen out) is stupid. Sure, they're all hyped, but some/most of them are earning/building the hype by improving.

If you look at athletes who have retired, you get to a measurable data set. I'll just do some Americans:

Lolo - overhyped yes, but like Gwen, really someone who is after headlines and attention, moreso than actual track fans thinking X is the next comeing of Y.

Meb - two great races amidst a relatively competitive (NATIONAL level) career. Sold for his name, just like Dean. Overhyped for the end of his career.

Webb - Overhyped from age 17, with hindsight being 20/20. Sure 3:53, sure 3:46, sure 1:43/27:30... but in between: what? A nice kick in paris, an 8th place on the world stage? I love and adored webb as much as anybody, but he never really delivered. He had the tools and showed the signs of being a great, but didn't deliver. Missing the mark of the hype/expectations isn't his fault, but he was overhyped. Still is.

German - See: Webb, sans real post-collegiate trajectory.

Ritz - i wouldn't say overhyped, overall. the hype was at a steady level from age 17 onward and he managed to continually surprise and compete all those years. He's got extra hype from the Big 3, dyestat fanbois, but when you step outside that realm, he's was mostly just a respected player, a la Kennedy, Jager, Sol, Teg, etc.

Pre - added hype because of his death, but he was competitive at a national and world level, much beyond say Webb or most other American distance runners of the last 20 years.

I can't believe you just argued that Meb is overhyped and Ritz is not in the same post.

runderun wrote:

Shelby Houlihan, without question. She has good times but no hardware, I don't think she's ever even won a Diamond League race. She needs to make a step up because she's obviously talented.

Stop hating. Shes our bestdistance/mid D runner right now excluding Brazier...although her competition is much tougher than his on the world level.

she is in the era of Kipyegon, Obiri, Dibaba, Hassan, and Muir.

But to me she has topped Shannon Rowbury as the most versatile american track runner ever.

who has run 1:59, 3:56, 14:38.

Her 3:54 was in the fastest WC 1500 final of all time. Her time would have won any other world championship in history. then for her to run 14:23 and 1:59 plus 10 US titles in like 4 years. Definitely not overrated.

Ryan Hall

are you drunk wrote:

The Pursuit of Speed wrote:

Sydney McLaughlin. She's accomplished, but not to the level of hype.

Olympic team as a hs’er. NCAA champ frosh year. Silver at worlds. Eye blink from WR.

Yeahhhhhh...way overhyped!

Yes, way overhyped and prima donna. The sport is treating her like she’s the next big face and savior. No she’s not. She’s a 400m hurdler, not a marquee event. She got her a-ss whooped in the final by the GOAT, Dalilah. Calling a spade a spade.

Just goes to show some people will be haters because someone is good looking. I don't think she's done anything that would demonstrate being a shallow person.

I have a hard time knocking someone who at 21 has ONLY won WC silver and just barely lost to the person who set the WR in the race. Maybe we should give her a couple of years before we consider her a career a total overhyped failure.

Someone no one has mentioned would be Mary Cain. Super hyped coming out of high school. After 1 promising year all she has done is take advantage of the Alberto Salazaar hate train to get attention and crap on former teammates.