He appeared to be straining the last 500 yards, and the effort to maintain pace was easily visible.
He appeared to be straining the last 500 yards, and the effort to maintain pace was easily visible.
John Wesley Harding wrote:
Bekele Bread wrote:
Except Kipchoge grimaced at the end. He was clearly pushing through some pain.
So did Cheptegei.
What would the OP expect from the 5k world record? Inefficient, overreaching form because he’s just trying so dang hard? Crawling across the line vomiting? Of course he was going to ride the threshold at which he could remain composed and efficient, as anyone does in their best efforts.
As others have said, he didn’t look any less tired than previous WR-setters, except for that undertrained drama queen Roger Bannister. Personally, I was shouting “F*ck yeah” and then nervously asking the trackside official not to DQ me for language within seconds after my lifetime mile PR.
Surely they would forget the threshold and just go flat out for the last 200m? Actually was surprised he did not run a fast last 200m indicating he did not have much more to give
One thing it shows is that elite athletes are no better at handling pain than the rest of us.
Zero confidence this is clean.
Aerobic capacity is of course the key, don’t want to deplete the CP.
There is no ubermensch. Yes you can lactate train, swimmers can survive with insane lactate levels...but this is not that situation. This guy has off-the-charts aerobic capacity in this race.
IMHO he’s not the only one, either. I think a handful of guys over the past few years could have gotten this time in these conditions—which is why I think the record could fall again, and which is why he might go for the 10k as well.
The big target, IMO, would be Komen. If you’re going for greatness, go all the way.
Strain? Effort? Not. All those great-finishing WR’s you see were assisted. Just listen to the testimony of EPO users, and you will see their words perfectly reflected in these races.
What will the apologists say if Komen’s records go down?
Btw distance runners don’t know how to sprint. More than that, they often don’t even know how to kick properly—they will expend a ton of energy for a trivial gain, a gain that would be bettered if that energy was used consistently throughout the race instead.
With the ascendancy of the tactical race, this point seems to have been minimalized, as one would just end up being a rabbit. These 1-contender tt’s show what could otherwise be done.
Kipchoge 10k tt in good conditions?
When you are full throttle epo you can get to a point where you are not limited by oxygen uptake. It is amazing the number of people in denial on this thread.
“When you are full throttle epo you can get to a point where you are not limited by oxygen uptake.” = “Just listen to the testimony of EPO users, and you will see their words perfectly reflected in these races.”
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the East African myth was just epo wrote:
When you are full throttle epo you can get to a point where you are not limited by oxygen uptake. It is amazing the number of people in denial on this thread.
+1. What do you think that you are limited by? Serious question.
the East African myth was just epo wrote:
It is amazing the number of people in denial on this thread.
I’m honestly not speculating either way. There’s a difference between claiming he’s clean and arguing that we can’t judge if he’s doping based on how relaxed he looked.
There’s a limit to any physical system. Given a specified efficiency, they can go as fast as that system allows, but IMO only within the limits of their training.
I’m sure that he knew he could run this pace, and that he has trained it specifically. No matter what your capacity, the body will only develop to the point at which training demands are met.
Find a guy who trains at a faster pace, and pump him up to meet that training demand, and you will have a faster runner.
Short answer: in this race, his training limited him, unless his training had reached his biochemical limit—assuming that he ran maximally efficiently.
As to what limits anyone, it can be a bunch of things, depending on the individual. Like in sprinters, you take a stack to top up all weaknesses, sort of like applying crack filler to achieve a smooth surface. If Cheptegei’s surface is perfectly smooth (doubtful), then he has reached his limit—that is to say that he is limited not by any one thing, but by the totality of all the interactions in his body, the total combination of everything.
If that were the case, the only way he could “get faster” would be to be someone else.
IMO?. What a genius, right??
ukathleticscoach wrote:
One thing it shows is that elite athletes are no better at handling pain than the rest of us.
I'm not an elite athlete, but I'm pretty sure this is one of the wrongest statements ever on LRC.
birdbeard wrote:
Brazilian Guy wrote:
He will probably have to return back in time also.
yeah, if you want to talk about people looking relaxed while breaking records, start with bekele
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSSBtxvd5BIliterally jogs through the line, grabs his flowers, starts his victory lap, doesn't look like he's breathing
i actually thought chep looked more tired on the last lap than bekele, el g, geb, kipchoge etc. ever did when they broke WRs.
+1 to this. The way Bekele acts after his 5000 WR always amazed me...never stopped and seemed to want to run through the press/crowds. Geb looked the most worn out after his 12:39. Even during it, the last lap it shows on his face that he is really hurting. Komen always looked completely out of it, like he didn't even know where he was.
Yes being relaxed is the key to running fast but the only time you don’t finish with a kick is when you haven’t been running efficiently, you’ve got nothing left to give, and you’re just hanging on. These guys are leaving time on the clock even if they are clean.
Disagree. Bekele was going hard, and was tired at the finish. Arms pumping hard toward the end of the race, getting a bit wild, mouth open after the finish, tired expression, wisely jogging a bit after the race, kicked through the line, no immediate easy smile.
Actually, Cheptegei also looked spent.
I retract what I said earlier, he didn’t look like Ackbar or Makhloufi after the finish.
Sprintgeezer wrote:
Btw distance runners don’t know how to sprint. More than that, they often don’t even know how to kick properly—they will expend a ton of energy for a trivial gain, a gain that would be bettered if that energy was used consistently throughout the race instead.
With the ascendancy of the tactical race, this point seems to have been minimalized, as one would just end up being a rabbit. These 1-contender tt’s show what could otherwise be done.
Kipchoge 10k tt in good conditions?
You don't need to save energy when there is only 200m left there is always that small amount of ATP which is unused in a long distance race.
Sprinters are hardly efficient at it going sub 20 but unable to put 2 21.5's,together.
Brittle Master 1958 wrote:
ukathleticscoach wrote:
One thing it shows is that elite athletes are no better at handling pain than the rest of us.
I'm not an elite athlete, but I'm pretty sure this is one of the wrongest statements ever on LRC.
Back that up they are so fit the only thing holding them back is leg speed. How can you be in pain if you are not even breathing hard at the finish?
ukathleticscoach wrote:
How can you be in pain if you are not even breathing hard at the finish?
This sounds like something someone who’s never trained would say.
Keep in mind he was wearing pogo sticks.
Sprintgeezer wrote:
There’s a limit to any physical system. Given a specified efficiency, they can go as fast as that system allows, but IMO only within the limits of their training.
I’m sure that he knew he could run this pace, and that he has trained it specifically. No matter what your capacity, the body will only develop to the point at which training demands are met.
Find a guy who trains at a faster pace, and pump him up to meet that training demand, and you will have a faster runner.
Short answer: in this race, his training limited him, unless his training had reached his biochemical limit—assuming that he ran maximally efficiently.
As to what limits anyone, it can be a bunch of things, depending on the individual. Like in sprinters, you take a stack to top up all weaknesses, sort of like applying crack filler to achieve a smooth surface. If Cheptegei’s surface is perfectly smooth (doubtful), then he has reached his limit—that is to say that he is limited not by any one thing, but by the totality of all the interactions in his body, the total combination of everything.
If that were the case, the only way he could “get faster” would be to be someone else.
IMO?. What a genius, right??
Mr. Sprintgeezer: If it isn't IMO, then whose IMO is it?
birdbeard wrote:
kipchoge running 2:01:39
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUjpS_BMHQE
Agreed, Kip and Chep are suspicious. Bekele should have the 5,000m record still and pretty much also the WR on the 'thon.