zxczxcv wrote:
Well, in your alternative, they aren't disciplined enough to mask up in classes, so they pass it to each other and their teachers, and why then would they be disciplined enough to mask up elsewhere?
Why are you assuming "they aren't disciplined enough to mask up in classes"?
Yes to all of it. Not many kids in large debt who went from JUCO to state school and majored in something real.
Let it Rupp wrote:
766 wrote:
We don't. We wear masks, wash our hands frequently, and distance as much as possible. We are not talking about healthcare workers though, right?
And normal people somehow can't do this?
Have you seen "normal people" at Wal Mart?
Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:
Let it Rupp wrote:
And normal people somehow can't do this?
Have you seen "normal people" at Wal Mart?
No, but I see people at Walmart wearing masks. And I live smack dab in the middle of bumblef*ck, USA - where the people who the lefties hate but claim to stick up for live.
skeet fandom wrote:
Yeah, so terrible. A bunch of college kids asymptotic giving it to other kids that will be asymptotic then in 2 weeks it will be gone.
Most likely this is the accurate scenario,
Let it Rupp wrote:
Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:
Have you seen "normal people" at Wal Mart?
No, but I see people at Walmart wearing masks. And I live smack dab in the middle of bumblef*ck, USA - where the people who the lefties hate but claim to stick up for live.
Your neighbors are much better than mine. I have seen people taking off or lowering their masks as soon as they clear the entrance. They ignore the hand sanitizer at the door (maybe 5% of them use it). At least 1/3 ignore the direction arrows on the floor, and probably another 1/3 are accidentally following it without paying attention. And they clog the aisle all over the place by congregating and chit chatting.
That's how "normal people" behave in my neighborhood, but I guess your neighbors are more disciplined.
Donnie & Marie wrote:
zxczxcv wrote:
Put simply for your edification:
A) Lots of students catch COVID at parties, bars, and classes.
B) They bring it home to their parents and grandparents.
C) They give it to staff and teachers and people throughout society with whom they interact at restaurants, bars, grocery stores, etc.
D) Those people are elderly or pass it on to the elderly people in their family or those they care for at hospitals, doctors' offices, nursing homes, etc.
E) Lots of people get sick.
F) Lots of people die.
Wow!
How about:
A) Lots of students catch COVID at parties, bars, and classes.
B) College kids should now stay away from their parents and grandparents more than ever!
C) They mask up & social distance to the best of their ability to avoid infecting staff & teachers
D) Everyone should AVOID elderly, and hospitals, doctor's offices, nursing homes, etc.
E) Some people get sick.
F) An extremely small number will die.
170,000 is an extremely small number, I guess.
Soon 300,000 will be an extremely small number.
I wonder what would not be an extremely small number.
Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:
Your neighbors are much better than mine. I have seen people taking off or lowering their masks as soon as they clear the entrance. They ignore the hand sanitizer at the door (maybe 5% of them use it). At least 1/3 ignore the direction arrows on the floor, and probably another 1/3 are accidentally following it without paying attention. And they clog the aisle all over the place by congregating and chit chatting.
That's how "normal people" behave in my neighborhood, but I guess your neighbors are more disciplined.
Do you sit at the entrances of Walmart and watch people's behavior? Are you a Walmart greeter? You seem to have a lot of knowledge and statistics about the behavior of people at Walmart.
766 wrote:
zxczxcv wrote:
How do doctors, receptionists, nursing home attendants, and nurses avoid the elderly?
We don't. We wear masks, wash our hands frequently, and distance as much as possible. We are not talking about healthcare workers though, right?
Exactly! And those healthcare workers obviously don't come into contact with anyone else, right? Certainly not their families.
And their families don't come into contact with anyone else, right? Certainly not classmates.
According to you, every man is an island. In real life, unless you are a hermit living alone up in the mountains and surviving off of mushrooms and acorns, nobody is.
Whodunit wrote:
skeet fandom wrote:
Yeah, so terrible. A bunch of college kids asymptotic giving it to other kids that will be asymptotic then in 2 weeks it will be gone.
Most likely this is the accurate scenario,
The ignorant always think that the absurd scenario is the most accurate. That's where conspiracy theories live.
Exacamundo wrote:
Donnie & Marie wrote:
Wow!
How about:
A) Lots of students catch COVID at parties, bars, and classes.
B) College kids should now stay away from their parents and grandparents more than ever!
C) They mask up & social distance to the best of their ability to avoid infecting staff & teachers
D) Everyone should AVOID elderly, and hospitals, doctor's offices, nursing homes, etc.
E) Some people get sick.
F) An extremely small number will die.
170,000 is an extremely small number, I guess.
Soon 300,000 will be an extremely small number.
I wonder what would not be an extremely small number.
I thought we were talking about college kids on campus? Of that 170,000 how many were college students? I'm guessing an extremely small number - much less than typically die from drug and alcohol issues and suicides on college campuses, right?
Exacamundo wrote:
766 wrote:
We don't. We wear masks, wash our hands frequently, and distance as much as possible. We are not talking about healthcare workers though, right?
Exactly! And those healthcare workers obviously don't come into contact with anyone else, right? Certainly not their families.
And their families don't come into contact with anyone else, right? Certainly not classmates.
According to you, every man is an island. In real life, unless you are a hermit living alone up in the mountains and surviving off of mushrooms and acorns, nobody is.
Shouldn't everyone assume everyone they come in contact with has the virus? How do we know that they don't? How would that change the way you live?
For an undergrad degree (hands on labs excepted) there is no reason students have to be in a classroom. Learn online. We are working online - nobody in the office - so learn on line.
hydrochloroquine wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
Right, I forgot all the hospitals being overwhelmed! That was awful. Oh wait, that never happened.
Stopped looking at LRC a while ago; tired of hearing mental heavyweights like Bad Wigins strut their stuff, good to see they are still at it.
Bad Wigins - you have made a complete and total fool of yourself through this entire pandemic, please just stop posting about COVID. Look at the number of COVID deaths in South Korea and the United States in early April and compare to where these are at now. COVID is currently the third leading cause of death in the US, compare this to Canada, Australia, Japan, or take your pick of other countries which have handled this better. Everyone on here thinks that they are in the top decile of thinkers and apply shotty math, logic, and selective statistics before talking in an echo chamber with similarly unformed laypeople and then this self appointed Mensa club gives us post after post of uninformed nonsense and circular arguments.
To your point, the hospital system was overwhelmed to one extent of the other in April in New York, Detroit, New Orleans and you saw the death rate in NYC (per capita) exceed what was seen at the peak of the 1918 influenza pandemic, due in part to the hospital systems being overwhelmed and lack of care for other problems (STEMI patients were not taken to the cath lab, etc), due in part to people not seeking care for other medical problems because of fear of exposure, and due to how lethal COVID is and people dying with it at home or in the hospital including confirmed and unconfirmed (untested) patients. Since that time we haven't seen hospital systems overwhelmed to that point, which is good and prevents needless deaths from other conditions, due to public awareness and public heath measures. We may be able to plod along in a steady state of misery like we have been with these measures, but nobody exists in isolation and infections in younger people have a ripple effect to the entire community. One of the biggest barriers in the US has been lack of a consistent message and poor understanding of various aspects this pandemic; LRC either reflects or perpetuates this, not sure which one, but disheartening to see that even with more time and information the same counterproductive arguments are being repeated here.
If the hospitals are so overwhelmed tell me why all the under educated and mostly dense nurses have had the time to put out their well choreographed dance routines on various social media outlets?
Luv2Run wrote:
Avg student loan debt is around $30K. Those who go to grad school incur more. Those who go to med school/dental/law incur more. Avg monthly payment is $200-$300/month (for those not in deferment).
When I read or hear horror stories and dig deeper it is often people who have one of the following criteria (or more):
1) Went to a small, private liberal arts college
2) Got a degree that is not marketable or that gets that initial job
3) Went to grad or dental (man USC dental school is crazy expensive), law, or medical school (then choosing a job that is low pay like being a public defender or working as a community organizer or for some justice institute).
4) Living beyond their means (eating out a lot, new car, kids in private school, etc).
You left off switching major 3 times and taking 8 years to get a BS. Or just dropping out.:) But yeah pretty much none of the stories you read are very sympathic. They all seem to involve grad school or deciding you don't want to work in the field where you got your professional degree. Or going to some for profit school that teaches you nothing.
1)We KNOW young people aren't affected that bad in the short term, we still have no idea the long term effects of the virus which could severely impact the rest of your life.
2) do u seriously lack the critical thinking skills do understand the flow of movement between these college kids could and most likely will lead to someone infecting someone else who will pass it on to a more vulnerable member of the population.
It is that sense of arrogance that if it doesn't impact me, i don't care that has been ingrained into most americans since they were born that is to blame for america having one of the worst virus situations in the world. But hey "america is the bst country in the world" right.
I think this is actually a good thing. A bunch of 18-21 year olds will infect each other with the vast majority of them having no symptoms at all. Most of them will continue hanging out with only fellow 18-22 year olds until at least Thanksgiving when they start going back home.
This is an ideal way to continue to build herd immunity.
When I was in college we reffered to those
gatherings as an interview for casual sex, as my coach did not l at us go to parties but had no issue with us developing his future team.
Incredibly insightful post
hydrochloroquine wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
Right, I forgot all the hospitals being overwhelmed! That was awful. Oh wait, that never happened.
and due to how lethal COVID is...
Gotta stop you right there. How is a virus where you have 99.75% chance of surviving, "lethal"?