5-year-old shot and killed while playing in front yard

Black on white murder is somewhat greater than white on black murder, but not that much, and by far the most murders are intra-racial.

fasciz wrote:

Smith & Wesson wrote:

Who is trying to justify what happened? Also, in the United States very few children are shot by the police. That child was reported as an armed 20 year old, and wasn't acting like a typical 12 year old.

He was reported as a juvenile with a fake gun.

Really?

Smith & Wesson wrote:

fasciz wrote:

He was reported as a juvenile with a fake gun.

Really?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDaOG90Dahg

Yes really.

fasciz wrote:

Smith & Wesson wrote:

Really?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDaOG90Dahg

Yes really.

So why not listen to the actual 911 call? Would you call a little kid a "guy"? "I don't know if it's real or not" -

Smith & Wesson wrote:

fasciz wrote:

Yes really.

So why not listen to the actual 911 call? Would you call a little kid a "guy"? "I don't know if it's real or not" -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epfXeDxftQA

He said it is probably a juvenile and the gun is probably fake.

For everyone wondering why cases like Rice's are more covered than the actual topic of this thread - look no further than this discussion.

fasciz wrote:

Smith & Wesson wrote:

So why not listen to the actual 911 call? Would you call a little kid a "guy"? "I don't know if it's real or not" -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epfXeDxftQA

He said it is probably a juvenile and the gun is probably fake.

For everyone wondering why cases like Rice's are more covered than the actual topic of this thread - look no further than this discussion.

He also said - "I don't know if it's real or not" - RIGHT? if he thought it was a child with a true toy gun why call 911?

Yep cases like this get covered way more because a spin can happen like what you are attempting to do. Hard to do that with a five year old unarmed kid riding his bike and gets shot for no reason!

Smith & Wesson wrote:

fasciz wrote:

He said it is probably a juvenile and the gun is probably fake.

For everyone wondering why cases like Rice's are more covered than the actual topic of this thread - look no further than this discussion.

He also said - "I don't know if it's real or not" - RIGHT? if he thought it was a child with a true toy gun why call 911?

Yep cases like this get covered way more because a spin can happen like what you are attempting to do. Hard to do that with a five year old unarmed kid riding his bike and gets shot for no reason!

You originally stated that he was reported as an armed 20-year old and you have the gall to say I am spinning?

fasciz wrote:

Smith & Wesson wrote:

He also said - "I don't know if it's real or not" - RIGHT? if he thought it was a child with a true toy gun why call 911?

Yep cases like this get covered way more because a spin can happen like what you are attempting to do. Hard to do that with a five year old unarmed kid riding his bike and gets shot for no reason!

You originally stated that he was reported as an armed 20-year old and you have the gall to say I am spinning?

Yep, since CNN had the cut up 911 call and the police call on the same video where he was stated as about 20 I forgot who said what...sorry - no agenda here...

Smith & Wesson wrote:

fasciz wrote:

You originally stated that he was reported as an armed 20-year old and you have the gall to say I am spinning?

Yep, since CNN had the cut up 911 call and the police call on the same video where he was stated as about 20 I forgot who said what...sorry - no agenda here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xjf89P6kaEc

"I forgot"...right. How conveniently hypocritical.

So you acknowledge that he said he is probably a juvenile and that the gun is probably fake?

fasciz wrote:

"I forgot"...right. How conveniently hypocritical.

So you acknowledge that he said he is probably a juvenile and that the gun is probably fake?

No, I actually forgot and then listened to both 911 call that I posted above.

Yes he says "it PROBABLY is a fake" and "he PROBABLY is a juvenile" and he says "I don't know if it's real or not" - RIGHT? Why can't YOU admit that?

If I have my 12 year old son point my Smith & Wesson .45 at your head are you going to assume it PROBABLY is a fake?

Smith & Wesson wrote:

Yes he says "it PROBABLY is a fake" and "he PROBABLY is a juvenile" and he says "I don't know if it's real or not" - RIGHT?

So why didn't you include that in your post where you erroneously claimed that the caller reported him as being 20 and armed? No spin, Smith & Wesson.

Smith & Wesson wrote:

If I have my 12 year old son point my Smith & Wesson .45 at your head are you going to assume it PROBABLY is a fake?

The appropriate response to an individual reported as probably being a juvenile and probably having a fake gun is not to shoot them before the vehicle even stops.

fasciz wrote:

Smith & Wesson wrote:

If I have my 12 year old son point my Smith & Wesson .45 at your head are you going to assume it PROBABLY is a fake?

The appropriate response to an individual reported as probably being a juvenile and probably having a fake gun is not to shoot them before the vehicle even stops.

Again, show me Police Protocol showing they need to identify the age of the person pointing the gun and the type of gun. You are very unrealistic on how to handle these situations that so quickly can turn bad.

Smith & Wesson wrote:

fasciz wrote:

The appropriate response to an individual reported as probably being a juvenile and probably having a fake gun is not to shoot them before the vehicle even stops.

Again, show me Police Protocol showing they need to identify the age of the person pointing the gun and the type of gun. You are very unrealistic on how to handle these situations that so quickly can turn bad.

I did not offer any position on police protocol - it could very well be part of the problem. What I said is that it is not appropriate to shoot an individual who was reported to probably be juvenile and reported to probably have a fake gun the moment you pull up on them without even stopping your vehicle.

fasciz wrote:

Smith & Wesson wrote:

Yes he says "it PROBABLY is a fake" and "he PROBABLY is a juvenile" and he says "I don't know if it's real or not" - RIGHT?

So why didn't you include that in your post where you erroneously claimed that the caller reported him as being 20 and armed? No spin, Smith & Wesson.

because the 911 caller said "a guy with a pistol" and "I don't know if it's (THE GUN) real or not."

is a guy with a pistol armed? is a guy with a pistol for sure a child? Are juveniles not dangerous when holding a pistol? From the surveillance video could you tell the gun was fake and he was 12 years old?

fasciz wrote:

Smith & Wesson wrote:

Again, show me Police Protocol showing they need to identify the age of the person pointing the gun and the type of gun. You are very unrealistic on how to handle these situations that so quickly can turn bad.

I did not offer any position on police protocol - it could very well be part of the problem. What I said is that it is not appropriate to shoot an individual who was reported to probably be juvenile and reported to probably have a fake gun the moment you pull up on them without even stopping your vehicle.

Wow! You really know nothing about this case! Yet you sure have a strong opinion without knowing all the facts.

Smith & Wesson wrote:

fasciz wrote:

So why didn't you include that in your post where you erroneously claimed that the caller reported him as being 20 and armed? No spin, Smith & Wesson.

because the 911 caller said "a guy with a pistol" and "I don't know if it's (THE GUN) real or not."

is a guy with a pistol armed? is a guy with a pistol for sure a child? Are juveniles not dangerous when holding a pistol? From the surveillance video could you tell the gun was fake and he was 12 years old?

You completely omitted those statements. That is intellectually dishonest. Do you not think that it is important that the caller said that he is probably a juvenile and that the gun is probably fake? Because a reasonable person does believe that to be of significance.

Smith & Wesson wrote:

fasciz wrote:

I did not offer any position on police protocol - it could very well be part of the problem. What I said is that it is not appropriate to shoot an individual who was reported to probably be juvenile and reported to probably have a fake gun the moment you pull up on them without even stopping your vehicle.

Wow! You really know nothing about this case! Yet you sure have a strong opinion without knowing all the facts.

What kind of conclusion is that?

fasciz wrote:

Smith & Wesson wrote:

because the 911 caller said "a guy with a pistol" and "I don't know if it's (THE GUN) real or not."

is a guy with a pistol armed? is a guy with a pistol for sure a child? Are juveniles not dangerous when holding a pistol? From the surveillance video could you tell the gun was fake and he was 12 years old?

You completely omitted those statements. That is intellectually dishonest. Do you not think that it is important that the caller said that he is probably a juvenile and that the gun is probably fake? Because a reasonable person does believe that to be of significance.

I didn't know I was supposed to type word for word the 911 callers conversation with the dispatcher who failed to mention some the items you are focusing on when she passed teh message on to the responding officers!