Max Burgin 18year Old 1:44.8 800m...WOW

He looked a bit tense or excited before the race, you could see him when being introduced taking deep breaths. At 200m I think Peter Bol runs into him but the camera suddenly switches so you can't see if it impacted him.

I don't want to sound like Deano but he would run wide on the bend looking like he was going to try to pass the runner in front then appear to change his mind a couple of times.

And he finished strong, moving from 7th to 5th and almost catching Valesquez. A better paced run might have seen him finish 3rd.

Bear in mind that for the last couple of seasons he has been way too good for the juniors and the BMC meets, but not quite at the level of Diamond League.

He'll learn from today and will certainly be in the mix at the British Championships in September. This was his first real race as a senior and some people were expecting him to run Brazier close?

fortudei wrote:

YMMV wrote:

He was in the main pack and beat Tuka and Rotich. A solid debut at this level.

He didn't beat Rotich.

Opps that was Bol he caught

Whenever I post that the Oregon Bowerman runners are extremely muscular, like Decker above (Oregon based) and we all know the links in that area to Salazar. A man obsessed with testosterone. My posts get deleted. This group is far more suspicious than Coe and I'm not saying he is clean, yet claims Coe is doping stay up but any questions about Nike HQ shenanigans disappear.

It's very simply that racing on the big stage is very different to racing in a BMC with the track all to yourself and no competition.

Brazier struggled moving from NCAA running 1:43 to racing at diamond leagues.

There is a big pack which go off extremely fast, full of physically stronger men who will not let a young athlete settle into favourable positions. You have to fight for a place in the first 200m and then continue fighting to the finish.

With experience Burgin will be fine.

A runner who can achieve a 1:44 at such a young age is in line with the Kenyan talent and may show well at Olympic and World Games in the future.

Very very true.

There is a definite bias here from the mods when it comes to not allowing doping speculation as regards American athletes.

I see posts and threads on American distance runners deleted regularly. I've had posts on Lagat (with a positive A sample at the height of the EPO era) deleted a few times. Meanwhile Bad Wiggins was allowed to claim that Peter Snell doped on the very day he died. British runners are subjected to the most frequent and groundless doping accusations (not talking about Mo, but even there compare 'doorbell Mo' to 'careless Manangoi'). The usual suspects here were creating threads on Max Burgin last year when he was still a minor. I know we speculate on African 'juniors' but the difference is they are likely in their twenties AND it's unlikely they or their family and friends would visit this forum.

joel68 wrote:

Just had a text from a UK friend saying Max Burgin (18year old kid) just ran 1:44.8 in an 800m in Manchester. If correct, clearly lockdown in CoVid hasn't had any negative impact on his running.

Who sent the text?

While i gave Burgin a B/B- after Stockholm, there is no other way to rank his Zagreb performance as anything other than a D/F.

DFL in 1:47.73, more than a second behind the field (and only within 2 seconds of 3 guys) in a race where British athletes with similar PB's entering the race ran very well (see times below for PB entering the race and performance today). He truly looked like a boy running against men today, and shows that while he can run very well in a solo setting he has a LOT of work to do when it comes to international class fields. Good learning experience for him though, hope he takes something from it.

Jake Wightman: 1:44.18/1:44.85

Elliot Giles: 1:44.68/1:44.75

Daniel Rowden: 1:44.74/1:44.09

Max Burgin: 1:44.75/1:47.73

Burgin's the most over-hyped runner I've heard of...

Probably time for him to end the season and prepare for next year. There's no way to classify a season in which an athlete of this age ran 1:44.75 than a smashing success.

This guy nailed it.

Sapel wrote:

Based on Burgin's history, we can predict this will be his fastest race of the year. Solid to have a 1:44.75 on your resume and Top 20 All-Time performance for the UK.

Coevett wrote:

In other words, all your points are pure pants as usual, but instead of answering my obvious objections, you'll just keep repeating them here ad nauseum for the next 20 years.

I often don't respond to your "obvious objections" because they are dominated by your lies and strangely insinuating questions, and it's too tiresome to continuously point out your lies and obfuscations.

Here for example are five of them in one paragraph:

Coevett wrote:

So you think steroids are more effective than EPO for milers? Or is it that the 90's generation of British milers were more ethical than the 80's? Doesn't that in itself contradict your statement that 'everybody dopes'. And why did the British only choose to use steroids in the 80s? You've claimed that the West Germans were as roided as the East Germans in the 80's.

1) I never implied let alone said that.

2) I never implied let alone said that.

3) An outright lie from you. I never made that statement.

4) I never implied let alone said that.

5) An outright lie from you. I never made that statement.

A discussion with you is obviously pointless.

zxczxcvc wrote:

Probably time for him to end the season and prepare for next year. There's no way to classify a season in which an athlete of this age ran 1:44.75 than a smashing success.

Agreed, great season for him. Got the big mark and also some experience that will help him next year.

Has anyone called out the meet in which Burgin ran 1:44.75? Official track? Rails? Timing was accurate? Reminds me a bit of Coe's 1:41.73 with the faulty timing. Maybe it wasn't legit during the COVID pandemic...

College kids out here running 1:43. Where’s Max this year?