ive read a lot of stuff from Magness that just really makes sense to me. This is not it. Would definitely only do those type of workouts on rare occasions. In fact, in high school, almost never, because they race so much anyway.
ive read a lot of stuff from Magness that just really makes sense to me. This is not it. Would definitely only do those type of workouts on rare occasions. In fact, in high school, almost never, because they race so much anyway.
I had some real success using McMillan. My only criticism of Magness is from listening to the podcast, and while, yes there has to be science behind the workouts, runners are athletes, not science experiments. I start listening to all that stuff and my eyes start to glaze over.
So much of training of distance runners is basically the same, that unless you are really egregious, at worst your training (or the training of your HS kids) is a few percentages one way or the other of sub-optimal. That's not that big of a deal.
babushka_lady wrote:
....Toss the sh!t Dr. Vigil and Dr. Daniels came up with in the trash as well, because, where was their D1 success? Neither of those guys had any NCAA D1 champions so the entirety of their training philosophies are pretty much worthless
Stupid argument because Vigil and Daniels had substantial successes in DII and DIII where they chose to pursue their coaching careers (Vigil is still the only coach to have his XC team get a perfect score at an NCAA championship).
Sara Hall has had Terrance Mahon, Dena Evans, her husband, and at least one other coach in her pro career. I wouldn’t say Magness is someone was that pivotal in the year or two they were working together.
Brian seems like he has potential as a pro, but let’s see him make some world teams first.
I’m very surprised how poor UH has performed in cross. An athletic director will let one or two seasons slide finishing at the bottom of your conference but the hot seat builds after that.
My plea to all runners is to not hearken to the advice of Steve Magness or Jonathan Marcus. There are so many coaches out there better than them and they drill weird ideas into your head that will likely end with you being slow and injured. I’ve seen it happen many times.
You sound hysterical honey with your coded fake anger.
Magness is a snake oil salesmen.
More a general comment, not specific to your post. Steve certainly isn't a scientist. Has he published anything in peer-reviewed journal? Does do research, does he have a research lab, use the scientific method, test hypotheses?
Just becasue someone wipes down the treadmills and washes mouthpieces at the Nike lab for a year does not make them a scientist so the fact that he wrote a book on the science of running is laughable. Oh, yes, the non-thesis Masters degree.
And if you response is his lab is the track and cross country courses his runners race on then I am thinking you don't realy know what a research scientist does.
Magness is coming under heavy fire here. I just wish to re-iterate that in my opinion the book is good, and I would recommend it. The English could be better, but it is not a novel. Where it should do, the content corresponds to what is in the scientific iterature. Elsewhere it provides food for thought at minimum. I created the thread just to discuss one aspect of the book/training philosophy that I disagree with.
Did we just get a new 5 x 18 mile?
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Magness is coming under heavy fire here. I just wish to re-iterate that in my opinion the book is good, and I would recommend it. The English could be better, but it is not a novel. Where it should do, the content corresponds to what is in the scientific iterature. Elsewhere it provides food for thought at minimum. I created the thread just to discuss one aspect of the book/training philosophy that I disagree with.
I agree, this thread has gone off the rails as threads often does on this forum. Magness book is good, there is a lot of good information in there. What he has achieved as a coach doesn't negate that.
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