What doubles are doable in Tokyo? LRC tells you and we offers some simple changes to make the schedule WAY better

a stud like Sifan Hassan or Shelby Houlihan could be tempted to try this.

So now Houligan is being spoken of in the same breath as Hassan. Comical.

The article was well researched but it left out an evaluation of the “Galen Rupp” double: the 10k/marathon double. Maybe there are one or two men and/or women inspired by his performance in 2016 who would want to give it a go.

dullard wrote:

a stud like Sifan Hassan or Shelby Houlihan could be tempted to try this.

So now Houligan is being spoken of in the same breath as Hassan. Comical.

+1, BTC and it’s fan base are yoxic

Why not separate track events into two blocks?

Days 1-5: Block 1- 100, 400, 1500, 10k

Days 6-10: Block 2- 200, 800, 5k, marathon

Would make doubling easier because no prelims from Block 2 would happen until the finals of Block 1 are finished

The most likely double in Tokyo is the "Olympics not happening this year" double.

Great idea.

Let's just make it like a 9 day Diamond League Meet where only 100 athletes double in everything and screw the other 1800 Olympic hopefuls.

OJ wrote:

The article was well researched but it left out an evaluation of the “Galen Rupp” double: the 10k/marathon double. Maybe there are one or two men and/or women inspired by his performance in 2016 who would want to give it a go.

You mean the Frank Shorter double.

LetsRun.com wrote:

World Athletics and IOC officials, please read this.

I suspect your well-researched, thoughtful advice will fall on deaf, hapless ears. Your priorities do not align with the priorities of the IOC.

For what it's worth, we give feedback about this forum IN THE FORUM ITSELF and you guys don't take it to heart or change. So I can only wait with eager anticipation for IOC to summarily ignore your existence. Bonne chance.

Runner10287 wrote:

OJ wrote:

The article was well researched but it left out an evaluation of the “Galen Rupp” double: the 10k/marathon double. Maybe there are one or two men and/or women inspired by his performance in 2016 who would want to give it a go.

You mean the Frank Shorter double.

Right. Not a new idea. Not invented by Salazar. Al did it, but it was old news already by then. The 'Frank Shorter' indeed.

lolcat1337 wrote:

Why not separate track events into two blocks?

Days 1-5: Block 1- 100, 400, 1500, 10k

Days 6-10: Block 2- 200, 800, 5k, marathon

Would make doubling easier because no prelims from Block 2 would happen until the finals of Block 1 are finished

This is perfect, actually. Remarkably simple. Shocking that it hasn't been done this way for decades.

Also, here's a novel idea: the men's and women's races of a particular event happen one immediately after the other. Each double will be equal doable for both genders. In fact, they will be exactly the same. The men's 400 prelim, for example would be 10 minutes after the women's 400 prelim. The men's 5000 final will be 25 minutes after the women's 5000 final. No dissimilarity between men's and women's doubling feasibility.

The only shocking thing is that, apparently, neither of these ideas has been thought of before. That was supposed to be sarcastic; I suspect darn few of us have not thought of both of these ideas. It would be ridiculously easy to make this work.

Is it just me or...

Do some of the other sports have it setup way easier for multiple events? It seems like Phelps never had any huge issues, but every year it's like if someone wanted to do 15/5k they'd have a prelim for one right before the final for the other.

Runner10287 wrote:

OJ wrote:

The article was well researched but it left out an evaluation of the “Galen Rupp” double: the 10k/marathon double. Maybe there are one or two men and/or women inspired by his performance in 2016 who would want to give it a go.

You mean the Frank Shorter double.

You mean the Emil Zatopek double.

Jonathan Gault wrote:

Runner10287 wrote:

You mean the Frank Shorter double.

You mean the Emil Zatopek double.

Why is track and field in the title of the article but it’s all track? Shot and discus is the obvious but also heptathlon with hurdles or long jump

Screw? I think of it as the opposite in that a lesser athlete gets to win gold when they shouldn't have. Whoever wins the two and they aren't named uibo would be a paper champ at best.

I'm guessing Miller uibo would do better than "just make the finals in the 100.

This just hurts the Olympics that needs its stars to shine. They need to incentivize running doubles. Coleman, Lyles, Norman are all three that need to run in two events. Wade nokneeKirk as well. Hassan was the star of Doha. They need to accommodate whatever these athletes want to do if they're winning.

Is the 400h /400m double doable? Both of the men's and women's 400m would be stacked. Benjamin, Sampa, Warholm, Sydney and Muhhamad.

lolcat1337 wrote:

Why not separate track events into two blocks?

Days 1-5: Block 1- 100, 400, 1500, 10k

Days 6-10: Block 2- 200, 800, 5k, marathon

Would make doubling easier because no prelims from Block 2 would happen until the finals of Block 1 are finished

My guess would be that there is so much overlap to make sure their is something to watch on TV every day, which in the end hurts the athletes. And the reality is that have athletes win multiple medals and be in multiple races is better for TV (like swimming and gymnastics) but they only go out of their way to help 100/200 runners and 5k/10k runners.

VroomVroom wrote:

Screw? I think of it as the opposite in that a lesser athlete gets to win gold when they shouldn't have. Whoever wins the two and they aren't named uibo would be a paper champ at best.

I'm guessing Miller uibo would do better than "just make the finals in the 100.

This just hurts the Olympics that needs its stars to shine. They need to incentivize running doubles. Coleman, Lyles, Norman are all three that need to run in two events. Wade nokneeKirk as well. Hassan was the star of Doha. They need to accommodate whatever these athletes want to do if they're winning.

Exactly lol, we want to see the best run each event, you don't deserve to win a medal just because the best wasn't able to double in your event. This is the Olympics, no snowflake "everyone gets a medal" bull crap.

10k, marathon double is pretty feasible. With the 10k on day 1 and the marathon on the last day, there is enough time to race the 10k then recover and taper for the marathon.

Plenty of times where Phelps had a semi before or after another final 10 - 15 minutes in between. Sometimes at national level meets it's 5-10 minutes but then the warm up pool is far closer to the comp pool. Swim easy until the last 60 seconds towel your face off and step up.

Phelps generally didn't swim relay prelims unless he wasn't on the team for the final.

The only time he ever didn't make make a final at an Olympics or Worlds was in 2005.

In 2005 he experimented with his event line up and swam the individual 100m Free and was 7th in the final. He also swam the 400m Free and was 18th in the heats missing the final. He didn't swim the 200m Fly or the 400m IM in Montreal. Ian Crocker won the 100m Fly (also a WR) and Phelps only swam the heats in the Medley relay.