10 days until Monaco DL - Is Jakob Ingebrigtsen ready for a 3:29?

THOUGHTSLEADER WROTE:

"To ignore the conditions is insane. Jakob and family ran in perfect conditions with the pacing strip and good pacers. Timothy ran in awful conditions with terrible pacing. That will also be 9+ weeks from this race. That is a lot of time to pick up fitness for an athlete at Cheruiyot's caliber. Per the Kenyan coach, they'd only been able to bring together the group a couple weeks before that. If his preparations have been good, his fitness and the conditions should make his capabilities night-and-day. Jakob is at a higher level than last year, but I think he will back off of a 55/1:51 opening to the race. That is my opinion."

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Jakob and the family ran the 2000m under good conditions for a GOOD OVERALL TIME FOR THE TEAM.

If they primarily had run for a good time for Jakob the older brothers should have been the pacemakers and they should have run at least 1 seconds faster per lap the first 4 laps!

As for Timothy´s fitness, we will see. 13 seconds is a lot to pick up in less than 2 month (I am aware that Timithy´s conditions in Nairobi were not the best but 13sec?!) and Jakob will also benefit from further training and supposedly sharpening up to this most important meet in the season.

By the way:

Why couldn´t the Kenyans train as the Norwegians and the North Americans? Haven´t they got tread mills in Kenya?

objectiveobserver wrote:

By the way:

Why couldn´t the Kenyans train as the Norwegians and the North Americans? Haven´t they got tread mills in Kenya?

Yes, I don't understand this either. Manangoi posted a photo of him and Tim training on the track at the height of the lockdown. Perhaps it was a flashback post but he didn't state that.

I would imagine they've had at least as much ability to train normally as the Ingebrigtsens.

Anyone expect to see this guy in Monaco in the near future?

https://youtu.be/9pZKEsHrW_M

sizlin wrote:

I would say his speed is definitely lacking. The 100s not even in the 11s is somewhat concerning, but his 3.30 last year he did slow up before the line a decent amount.

If the pace is good I think it’ll happen.

His speed has always been lacking. How is an athlete supposed to rip fast reps if they are doing voluminous workouts. Nobody is going to run fast 100s after 400m reps to exhaustion.

This training is probably made up anyway. How could someone remember all that from talking to Team Ingebrigsten

Coevett wrote:

TBH I think Tim is finished, and to be objective the most likely reason he ran 13 seconds slower than Jacob over 2000m the other week is because of the Manangoi bust (which they must have known was coming several months ago).

That's objective?

You genuinely don't understand the meaning of the word.

The reason Cheryuiot ran 5:03 for 2000m was due to the terrible conditions. Heavy rain, strong winds and high (7000ft) altitude.

Just a stupid post by you. Makes absolutely no sense anyway. How's does Manangois whereabouts failure cause Cheruiyot to run slowly? Or for that matter, how does it cause heavy rain and wind...?

ex-runner wrote:

sizlin wrote:

I would say his speed is definitely lacking. The 100s not even in the 11s is somewhat concerning, but his 3.30 last year he did slow up before the line a decent amount.

If the pace is good I think it’ll happen.

His speed has always been lacking. How is an athlete supposed to rip fast reps if they are doing voluminous workouts. Nobody is going to run fast 100s after 400m reps to exhaustion.

This training is probably made up anyway. How could someone remember all that from talking to Team Ingebrigsten

Yeah it’s probably made up. But just to back up my point (not trying to prove you wrong) Rupp ran an 11 low after a workout with a two step start after some long workout, can’t remember of the top of my head

Update

Julien Wanders just arrived from Kenya. He will race on Saturday in Regensburg a 1500m test to gauge his speed before racing the 5000m in Monaco.

After that he'll spend a while in Europe, maybe racing a few more times(TBC) and then he will go back in Kenya to make his final preparation for the World Half Champs(If held)

Meanwhile, Jimmy Gressier seems in his best ever shape, he just did a monstrous workout. Has to be in 13 flat shape?!?!

Aug 4 - Boulogne Sur Mer - 20x400m w/1' rec (59"-61") - 59"8 AVG

As per above, the Ingebrigtsens are in fine shape and it will be very interesting to see what Henrik can do in the 5000m.

There will be a nice European field with Wanders Henrik Gressier and Crippa.

Crippa just ran this evening a new 1500 personal record 3'35 low in Rovereto, which is pretty impressive. I believe Crippa can go very close to 13:00 too. He stated the goal is to break Antibo's national record. (13:05)

Mzungu in Iten wrote:

Update

Julien Wanders just arrived from Kenya. He will race on Saturday in Regensburg a 1500m test to gauge his speed before racing the 5000m in Monaco.

After that he'll spend a while in Europe, maybe racing a few more times(TBC) and then he will go back in Kenya to make his final preparation for the World Half Champs(If held)

Meanwhile, Jimmy Gressier seems in his best ever shape, he just did a monstrous workout. Has to be in 13 flat shape?!?!

Aug 4 - Boulogne Sur Mer - 20x400m w/1' rec (59"-61") - 59"8 AVG

13:12-13:15 at best for Gressier. Wanders will be 13:15+,

Agree with you regarding a Rupp’s. His gradual improvement has risen to a head; and after his breakthrough 10k in Doha, I feel that he will be <13:05.

prevarications wrote:

Mzungu in Iten wrote:

Update

Julien Wanders just arrived from Kenya. He will race on Saturday in Regensburg a 1500m test to gauge his speed before racing the 5000m in Monaco.

After that he'll spend a while in Europe, maybe racing a few more times(TBC) and then he will go back in Kenya to make his final preparation for the World Half Champs(If held)

Meanwhile, Jimmy Gressier seems in his best ever shape, he just did a monstrous workout. Has to be in 13 flat shape?!?!

Aug 4 - Boulogne Sur Mer - 20x400m w/1' rec (59"-61") - 59"8 AVG

13:12-13:15 at best for Gressier. Wanders will be 13:15+,

Agree with you regarding a Rupp’s. His gradual improvement has risen to a head; and after his breakthrough 10k in Doha, I feel that he will be <13:05.

*Crippa...not “a Rupp’s”

Coevett wrote:

TBH I think Tim is finished

Then you are honestly a moran.

Wanders showed some pretty impressive speed in workouts reported here recently. I think he is going to challenge 13'. Gressier's workout is a good one but I'd think that the rests should be 45" for 20x400m to predict about 2" over repeat pace (=62/400m here). By that standard, I'm predicting more like 13:09-11 for Gressier.

Stoked to run here to watch Covett cry in 9 days.

prevarications wrote:

Mzungu in Iten wrote:

Update

Julien Wanders just arrived from Kenya. He will race on Saturday in Regensburg a 1500m test to gauge his speed before racing the 5000m in Monaco.

After that he'll spend a while in Europe, maybe racing a few more times(TBC) and then he will go back in Kenya to make his final preparation for the World Half Champs(If held)

Meanwhile, Jimmy Gressier seems in his best ever shape, he just did a monstrous workout. Has to be in 13 flat shape?!?!

Aug 4 - Boulogne Sur Mer - 20x400m w/1' rec (59"-61") - 59"8 AVG

13:12-13:15 at best for Gressier. Wanders will be 13:15+,

Agree with you regarding a Rupp’s. His gradual improvement has risen to a head; and after his breakthrough 10k in Doha, I feel that he will be <13:05.

Not sure how you make sense out of 13:12-13:15 for Gressier. He ran 13:18 on the roads by himself and is in better shape now. Gotta be at 13:05-13:10 range. Should run that easily in a well paced track 5000.

ex-runner wrote:

Coevett wrote:

TBH I think Tim is finished, and to be objective the most likely reason he ran 13 seconds slower than Jacob over 2000m the other week is because of the Manangoi bust (which they must have known was coming several months ago).

That's objective?

You genuinely don't understand the meaning of the word.

The reason Cheryuiot ran 5:03 for 2000m was due to the terrible conditions. Heavy rain, strong winds and high (7000ft) altitude.

Just a stupid post by you. Makes absolutely no sense anyway. How's does Manangois whereabouts failure cause Cheruiyot to run slowly? Or for that matter, how does it cause heavy rain and wind...?

OK. ex-runner, so if Henrik and Filip both had a drastic crash in form, both explained by injuries happening at the same time, and then one of them was suspended for whereabouts failures, and then Jakob ran 13 seconds slower over 2000 than he expected, explained away by a bit of wind and drizzle, I'm sure the 1001 eruptions on this forum that would continue for literally decades of 'told you so', all the Ingebrigtsens are doped to the maxx, etc etc, would make absolutely no sense to you whatsoever?

birdbeard wrote:

Stoked to run here to watch Covett cry in 9 days.

The only result that would make me cry at Monaco is Tim running 3:24 and George running 3:26 in second.

Not so much the results themselves, but the eruption of excitement that would ensue here, and the inevitable branding as 'racist' of anyone who cast doubt on the performances in the light of Manangoi Snr's doping bust.

Coevett wrote:

TBH I think Tim is finished

macdaddy wrote:

Then you are honestly a moran.

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I think too Timothy will disappoint in Monaco.

I think Jakob (and perhaps also Filip) will go below 3:30 if the pacing is good.

objectiveobserver wrote:

As for Timothy´s fitness, we will see. 13 seconds is a lot to pick up in less than 2 month (I am aware that Timithy´s conditions in Nairobi were not the best but 13sec?!) and Jakob will also benefit from further training and supposedly sharpening up to this most important meet in the season.

Coevett and objectiveobserver, what do you say. I was actually right that Jakob would back off, but that actually helped Jakob as the pace was absurd. Cheruiyot was the same guy, actually even better to run that fast with terrible pacing.

Tim may challenge the WR before the summer is over.