10 days until Monaco DL - Is Jakob Ingebrigtsen ready for a 3:29?

His workouts since July 17th in St.Moritz/Chiavenna

8x400m w/2'30" rec + 4x200m w/1'15" rec + 3x100m w/1' rec

Times : 58"/58"/57"/56"/58"/58"/58"/57"//27"/27"/27"/25"//13"/12"/12"

8x800m w/1'30" rec

Times : 2'08"/2'09"/2'06"/2'06"/2'07"/2'04"/2'03"/2'02"

10x400m w/2'-2'15" rec (jog lap)

Times : 57"/58"/57"/56"/57"/57"/57"/57"/58"/58"

6x1000m w/3' rec + 400m

Times : 2'37"/2'35"/2'36"/2'35"/2'36"/2'35"//56"

5k Tempo @ 2:50/km

4x800m w/1'30" rec + 8x200m w/1' rec

Times : 2'03"/2'02"/2'01"/1'59"//27"/27"/26"/25"/25"/26"/26"/25"

3x400m w/3' rec + 3x100m w/1'30" rec

Times : 54"/54"/53"//12"/12"/12"

6x100m w/1'30" rec (12")

5k Tempo w/2' rec + 3x400m w/1' rec

Times : 13'50"//61"/62"/61"

4x600m w/2' rec + 7x200m w/1'30" rec

Times : 1'28"/1'27"/1'25"/1'25"//26"/26"/26"/25"/25"/25"/24"

with his 4:50 back in June, he is ready. The question is whether Tim Cherrryoiut (sp) is faster yet again?? I think he is. What about Manangoi jr?

Probably all made up

What are your sources for these workouts? Looks different from the workouts they usually do...

From an italian coach in Chiavenna, he talked himself with Gjert and shared some inshights one with each other.

Free to think whatever you want, i always share my info, it's the only way to make this full of secrecy sport go forward, even if 10-20% of the information might now always be accurate.

Jakob was already so close last year - even if he didn't improve at all, I'd say he could do it. Given his 2000m, he has the capability. Only variables left are pacing and his recovery for the next 10 days.

Endurance seems further along than his speed. I say no.

I would say his speed is definitely lacking. The 100s not even in the 11s is somewhat concerning, but his 3.30 last year he did slow up before the line a decent amount.

If the pace is good I think it’ll happen.

Tim isn't very fit so Jakob can't ride his coattails to 3:29. I feel pretty safe saying that no one will break 3:30 this year.

I think Tim's opinion of his shape will make a big difference. If pacers/Timmy go out in 55/1:51, I think there will be a gap and it will not be a good situation for Jakob with Tim slowing to win in 3:30 and Jakob in 3:32. However, if they go out sensibly in 56/1:53 with Tim acknowledging lesser shape, I like Jakob to be right on Tim's butt and they both run 3:29 high/3:30.

Why do you do this? You made up all of the NN/Kipchoge workouts previously.

It is funny how people´s predictions are based on last years conditions.

This year Jakob has already some time ago run a 2000m which equals a 1500m in 3:30.67 only half a second from his personal best.

Timothy ran 13 seconds slower in the 2000m so why assume that Timothy will be the better in Monaco?

And why assume that a 1:51 opening 800m should not be perfect for Jakob on his possible higher level this year? (I doubt that Timothy will be able to open in 1:51; which kind of preparations should bring him back in top shape in 1 and a half month?)

To ignore the conditions is insane. Jakob and family ran in perfect conditions with the pacing strip and good pacers. Timothy ran in awful conditions with terrible pacing. That will also be 9+ weeks from this race. That is a lot of time to pick up fitness for an athlete at Cheruiyot's caliber. Per the Kenyan coach, they'd only been able to bring together the group a couple weeks before that. If his preparations have been good, his fitness and the conditions should make his capabilities night-and-day. Jakob is at a higher level than last year, but I think he will back off of a 55/1:51 opening to the race. That is my opinion.

1. Jakob 3:28.8

2 =Charlie 3:29.6 (like three spitfires coming out of the sun)

2=Jake 3:29.6 (like three spitfires coming out of the sun)

2=Josh 3:29.6 (like three spitfires coming out of the sun)

5. Tim 3:30.3

6. Lewandowski 3:31.2

7. Big Mac 3:32.5

8. Manangoi 'clean' Junior 3:36.9

They will be testing the hell out of the Rongei group now, and rightly so. I'm prepared to give Tim the benefit of the doubt and hope he's clean (I don't think David Ouma is a cheat who is doping his athletes), but I find it hard to believe that if Elijah is a doper, that his little brother isn't as well.

Coevett wrote:

1. Jakob 3:25.8

2 =Charlie 3:29.5 (like three spitfires coming out of the sun)

2=Jake 3:29.5 (like three spitfires coming out of the sun)

2=Josh 3:29.5 (like three spitfires coming out of the sun)

5. Tim 3:30.3

6. Lewandowski 3:31.2

7. Big Mac 3:32.5

8. Manangoi 'clean' Junior 3:36.9

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Almost, Coebett!

quwpeorit wrote:

Coevett wrote:

1. Jakob 3:25.8

2 =Charlie 3:29.5 (like three spitfires coming out of the sun)

2=Jake 3:29.5 (like three spitfires coming out of the sun)

2=Josh 3:29.5 (like three spitfires coming out of the sun)

5. Tim 3:30.3

6. Lewandowski 3:31.2

7. Big Mac 3:32.5

8. Manangoi 'clean' Junior 3:36.9

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Almost, Coebett!

He almost seems to be embracing his own hilarity, I had to check to make sure it wasn’t a fake handle because this shite is downright comical

To be clear, you realize,Elijah missed three doping tests. If his brother was a doper in the same way he'd have whereabouts failures as well. If you believe both are doping with detectable drugs than both will get taken down by the system. If it's with undetectable stuff, then the whereabouts failures make no sense. Your one out is that his brother maybe got lucky and had fewer than three whereabouts failures. He's probably enough on the radar, that that won't be the case for long if it even ever was as a World Junior Champ.

Mzungu in Iten has been reliable in the past. The workouts above are a good step towards his goal times, because it didn't seem like from what training was out there that they were doing enough mile pace and faster work. But his training is not going to generally impress too much because they do more sessions at slower paces on purpose and race faster than training. Much of this looks more like 5000m stuff. The 400s are slower than Cram or with a lot more rest, while a few of the 200s are good for preparing for the mile, the 25s and 26s, with one 24. The 100s in 12 and 13 are not a problem. They're not going to want to get him injured running 100s at top speed. I'd shorten up the rests to 1' on the 10x400 for a good guide. He was in good shape for the 2k already, so it seems he should be ready to run 3:29-30 now, but the rests are a bit long and the 400s a bit too slow for the most part. I like the 53/54s but guys like Steve Scott did faster/harder 400 workouts and didn't break 3:30 equivalent. Hope he does it, along with Filip. I know nothing about where Cheruiyot is in his shape now. If he's out in 55.5/1:52.5, that would be very helpful for Jakob to pr and win because the Ingebrigtsens don't like to and aren't prepared to get out in 54/55.0-1:51, so their chance to draft and stay close requires a bit slower start.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

To be clear, you realize,Elijah missed three doping tests. If his brother was a doper in the same way he'd have whereabouts failures as well. If you believe both are doping with detectable drugs than both will get taken down by the system. If it's with undetectable stuff, then the whereabouts failures make no sense. Your one out is that his brother maybe got lucky and had fewer than three whereabouts failures. He's probably enough on the radar, that that won't be the case for long if it even ever was as a World Junior Champ.

Are they siamese twins? I didn't realise.