It is pretty much scientifically IMPOSSIBLE to catch covid19 at an OUTDOOR race

I wish the local road races were not being cancelled. I'd like to think a little common sense would prevent the spread of COVID (outdoor sign-up, etc...) I can't imagine a local turkey trot with 200 people would become a "hot spot."

I think the big races are being cancelled because of the large national/international fields, hotel requirements, air travel, expos, etc...

200 people congregating before and after the race? You don't see how that could become a spreader event? That's exactly the profile of a spreader event.

The outdoors isn't a magical space where COVID ceases to be exhaled or hang in the air. I'm still amazed even when I walk my dog. People, seemingly everywhere, act as if they are completely safe to close talk, to hang out with people not in their households, etc. All the while our case loads are accelerating, 78,000+ new cases yesterday in the US.

I seriously think that there should be an advertising campaign reminding people that they still need to distance outside, that COVID doesn't immediately die coming from their mouths when in the sun, etc. People are letting their guard down at EXACTLY the wrong time.

Please show me one study that states masks are effective in stopping Covid 19 spread

Here is one report that proves mask wearing does not stop the spread of Covid 19..virus goes right through the mask..

https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/

Why? Everyone is going to get it over the next year anyway. So why try to push your date out by a few months? All was forgotten during the protests and all will be forgotten again the day after Biden wins. The economy will magically rebound because every business will reopen immediately and kids will return to school. Infections will increase which will lower the death rate making everything look great. I woukd rather just put Biden in today and get everything rolling.

This guy is delusional. Zealous mask proponents will present an interesting area of study in the near future. It is quite possibly the most self centered attitude yet witnessed. Whether his paranoia is a product of an early trauma with the result of an undiagnosed neurosis or its completely fabricated through long term exposure to televised media coverage of apocalyptic events is unknown. What is certain is that he would have everyone do something he wants done so that he can feel more comfortable.

If you are afraid then don’t go outside. Simple. Whether you realize it or not your conflicted or ambivalent about masks. You think covid is real and as bad as you’ve been told but you don’t want to spend the rest of your life locked inside so you come up with a floppy solution that does t make sense and isn’t upheld in restaurants so that you can justify continuing to live your life as normal. The fact that you venture outside to walk your dog or running suggests you are not taking covid as seriously as you would like others to, this is hypocrisy and you are self righteous and ignorant to what motivates your own behavior, you are a dense unreflective self righteous marionette and you try to disguise your complete helplessness with a smug idealism. You are trash.

the430miler wrote:

Catching covid19 at an outdoor track race or outdoor road race is pretty much impossible because when ppl cough or breath, their germs go straight into the open sky. They are not trapped inside of a building for others to breath.

Indoor races and events are where you will catch covid19 because the pathogens are kept inside of a wall barrier and dont float into trillions of miles of outer space atmosphere.

Also, please tune in this Sunday evening at 7pm for my live Facebook video of my teams progress in San Antonio. I will reveal my coaching secrets

Hey, where did your dumb post go about Jim Ryun not being good enough to get an award that Webb should have got? You already had it removed because it didn't go as planned?

strike 3!!!!! wrote:

the430miler wrote:

Catching covid19 at an outdoor track race or outdoor road race is pretty much impossible because when ppl cough or breath, their germs go straight into the open sky. They are not trapped inside of a building for others to breath.

Indoor races and events are where you will catch covid19 because the pathogens are kept inside of a wall barrier and dont float into trillions of miles of outer space atmosphere.

Also, please tune in this Sunday evening at 7pm for my live Facebook video of my teams progress in San Antonio. I will reveal my coaching secrets

Hey, where did your dumb post go about Jim Ryun not being good enough to get an award that Webb should have got? You already had it removed because it didn't go as planned?

Webb > ingebrigtsen > lagat > Rupp > ritz > hall > geb > gym ryan

Nice stream of consciousness Dr. Freud. Now STFU and put a mask on when within six feet of other people, you selfish misanthrope.

I apologize. My first post was unclear. That's my fault. I don't need any more evidence to convince me that wearing a mask will help to block some of the droplets. I wish they were better, but they do something and I wear one without protest at all times when I'm inside a public building.

What I was getting at, which I tried to clarify in my second post, is research into when it really is necessary to wear a mask outdoors. I liked zzzz's answer and have read most of the same things, but I haven't seen the actual research to back it up.

When I am outside, I usually do not wear a mask, but that is because I am not in a large group. I always have a mask with me in case I can't maintain distance. I went running for about 50 minutes today in a local regional park. I probably had the mask on 10 times, but never for more than about 15 seconds. In two instances, the trail was wide, but I had to go by large groups (9 people and 12 people if I counted correctly). No masks in one group and about half masked in the other, but there was no way to keep distance. There was no internal debate in either situation. Mask on as I ran through. In another instance, I passed a family of three. Looked like a mom, a dad, and a kid who was probably about 10. All had masks. Mom and Dad did their best to move far to the side. The kid was oblivious. Either way though, that section of trail was much more narrow. We could have all been as far to the sides of the trail as possible and there would have been less than three feet of separation. So again, mask on. No internal debate. The other times were all times where the trail was wide but for whatever reason, it was going to be close. In those situations, I ended up putting the mask on basically because of what we don't know yet and because I'd rather have it on and have those others be comfortable than to ruin their experience in the park. At the same time, in each of those cases, I really felt like my risk was minimal even without a mask on.

But again, those behaviors are formed by my opinions and biases. I know what I want the answer to be, which is why I put the mask on in those circumstances anyway. Because I recognize that I haven't really arrived at those opinions due to good science. I've arrived at them based on what I hope that science will eventually find. Maybe it will and maybe it won't, but right now, there isn't that much science to go on at least that I have seen.

Makes sense. But is just seems that everyone will catch it over the next year regardless of what they do unless they do not leave home forever. It has gone through my community over the past 6 weeks. Many have no idea how they got it and many more had no symptoms but got tested because somebody informed that they had it and may have transmitted it.

WhyRegisterHere? wrote:

200 people congregating before and after the race? You don't see how that could become a spreader event? That's exactly the profile of a spreader event.

The outdoors isn't a magical space where COVID ceases to be exhaled or hang in the air.

I wish California would realize this. Packed beaches with people everywhere. They say we closed indoor dining so the spread will slow, but it definitely hasn't thus far.

moderators of letsrun, if you have any decency, you would delete this thread

I’ve been wearing a mask, not because I want to or think it’s gonna help, so what about that is selfish.

You are the one who insist that your personal choices be mandated which in turn infringe on my personal choices. I would call that selfish.

That may be true, but I don't really think that's a good reason to be careless and just pass it along. We've seen in just a few months that treatments have been refined and hospital stays are getting shorter. I think that will continue. So getting the disease later, by and large, should lead to a greater prospect for recovery.

But just like recoveries, we are learning more about which actions that we are taking are effective at prevention and which inconveniences we are putting ourselves through serve minimal purpose. We are also learning more about which situations that we put ourselves in are actually dangerous and which present less risk. From all of that information, we make our decisions about what we are going to do.

the430miler wrote:

strike 3!!!!! wrote:

Hey, where did your dumb post go about Jim Ryun not being good enough to get an award that Webb should have got? You already had it removed because it didn't go as planned?

Webb > ingebrigtsen > lagat > Rupp > ritz > hall > geb > gym ryan

Wow, running is certainly not your forte. Stay on the sidelines, you'll sound smarter remaining silent. Jim Ryun is laughing at you and Alan Webb probably is too.

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Its not okay wrote:

I'm assuming your have some peer reviewed scientific data to back up these claims?

Hell. I don't believe there is any peer reviewed scientific data that shows asymptomatic people can pass the virus to other people who then do get sick. Or that kids with no symptoms can pass it to adults.

Yet we are running around with masks on and keeping school closed

1) There is plenty of peer reviewed data that shows masks prevent airborne virus spread.

2) I didn't make a claim. the430miler made a claim that catching COVID at an outdoor race was pretty much impossible. The way evidence works is when you make a claim, you are supposed to support it with evidence, not ramblings about how germs float trillions of miles away into outer space.

1) Yeah, and there's also data that shows that sweaty masks don't do nearly as well.

2) This isn't a point, I'm not countering it.

Its not okay wrote:

Why should healthy people wear masks in public?

Holy crap. It really is simple.

1. So YOU don’t get sick.

2. In case you do have the virus and are asymptomatic WE don’t get the virus.

Plenty of people out there walking around feeling great and are in fact super shedders. This is one of the reasons why this virus is a problem.

Person, woman, man, camera, TV . You get a bonus if you get them in order..........

the430miler wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

The loud mouths non-science-science folk already have everyone not leaving the house. You are right, there is no evidence, actually you are safer to little good evidence or trolls will descend upon you with endless links to articles they have not read but have the word "evidence" in them....then they will claim they are right, call you stupid....my point, there iisno point. Personally, I think masks should worn in public and schools must open. There is nothing out there that indicates schools should remain closed.

Its the liberals that dont want their kids going to school and getting an education from the liberal professors they so adore

I stand by my original statement/fact, even taking into consideration all the huffing and puffing that's done at 5ks

Not facts, just your opinion. Your opinions are not facts unless you back them up with some kind of proof. You can stand by your PERSONAL statement anytime you want bud, but they are no facts, don't fool yourself.

WhyRegisterHere? wrote:

200 people congregating before and after the race? You don't see how that could become a spreader event? That's exactly the profile of a spreader event.

Wasn't Italy's early superspreader a marathon runner, who was spreading the disease at races?