I dont get the argument "...it was never about the flag", in response to kneeling

The Invasion wrote:

optimal splits wrote:

Dude, who are you, posting a calm, collected reply that is actually legible and makes sense ..... on LR???

In all seriousness, this is by far the most intelligent post on this thread and makes us all look like uncultured monkeys.

Long story short, it is about the flag.

Colin Crappernik even freaking said so, so not sure what the debate is about.

And all of you knee "virtue signaling" mofo's, have at it. Cause if you expect this to get better anytime soon, good luck! This is greatest country that ever existed for a reason, and the fact that spoiled a$$ Americans don't see that, shows how spoiled they are.

Anyways, continue with your sukin CK's Bal!s. Not my cup of tea.

So what if it is about the flag and the assertion is wrong. Don't get hung up on that and miss the whole point of kneeling.

Like so many of these issues that get brought to the spotlight and focused on. Some critic who can't -or won't - argue the real issue just tries to nitpick it to death.

Nobody here is fooled. You feel threatened.

Most people who understand the issue realize it's not worth wasting too much time on what is a peripheral point.

I feel at least moderately threatened.

Were about to be at the 4th of July to celebrate our nation and all I see is BLM rallies and Covid updates on the news.

What happened to everyone just eating hotdogs, watching Sandlot, drinking beer, enjoying ourselves, fireworks, etc?

I think the internet gave too big of a platform to a minority of people who are making life hell for everyone else. It won't end until every lowest common denomonator is satisfied, which won't ever happen and will ultimately lead to a collapse.

HAHA, this is such redonkulous bs.

Yo dude, don't get upset when he spits in your face, he was just meaning he didn't like your service.

You are missing the point if you think that is not exactly what that is.

You can protest how you freaking want, I do not care. But if you want to piss on me and call is rain, and say, it is about the message, not the act of disrespecting the main symbol of this country, you are a fool.

Again, the fact you can do this at all, shows why you shouldn't do this at all. For example, the fact that your friend lends you his car, is exactly why you shouldn't crash it, cause noone else lets you have their car.

And only until another WW happens, will these bored Marxist liberals actually either understand that, or get pushed aside like they should.

0hiaaaa wrote:

I feel at least moderately threatened.

Were about to be at the 4th of July to celebrate our nation and all I see is BLM rallies and Covid updates on the news.

What happened to everyone just eating hotdogs, watching Sandlot, drinking beer, enjoying ourselves, fireworks, etc?

I think the internet gave too big of a platform to a minority of people who are making life hell for everyone else. It won't end until every lowest common denomonator is satisfied, which won't ever happen and will ultimately lead to a collapse.

So you feel moderately threatened, but i've just watched on the news most every night for a month who black mothers says they are scared shitless every time their black sons walk home from school. That's why it's time to start thinking about racial inequality and police brutality.

I get the feeling you know this and are just baiting us.

The main argument I was seeing was that it wasn’t about the military.

People got mad and said it disrespected the military.

The kneeling during the national anthem was as a away to say the nation had issues.

Star wrote:

The main argument I was seeing was that it wasn’t about the military.

People got mad and said it disrespected the military.

The kneeling during the national anthem was as a away to say the nation had issues.

Yes, but who silly of a protest that is. WHAT country that ever existed or WILL exist doesn't have issues.

It is freaking loony to think this will do anything but divide.

There are legitimate threats within our police force, I understand that. That profession also lends itself to recruit power hungry narcissists, IMO, but we can't generalize them all. The same way African Americans feel generalized or marginalized as a population, the police are receiving that same treatment right about now.

It's no different than my parents taught me. Be good, do good, repect your teachers, police, etc. Many of these incidents started off with something inflamitory the deceased did to start the issue. Doesn't warrant them dying for their crime, although they maybe we're not acting in best intent. (Throwing objects, passing fake currency, etc)

Star wrote:

The main argument I was seeing was that it wasn’t about the military.

People got mad and said it disrespected the military.

The kneeling during the national anthem was as a away to say the nation had issues.

What is amazing is that some people see the american flag and their only though is that that flag represents american's military might. It is sad that such a great country has been reduced so far. When I was a kid everyone's first thought would have been that the flag represented freedom and ideals of the american nation. How far we have fallen....

I'll buy that.

I think the positive outgrowth that is already in progress from this is a thorough review of police practices, seeing if choke holds are necessary, etc. Increased discipline for the few bad actors, Stronger police review and transparency.

My belief is that the poilice are upright and decent over all, but there is definitely some bad that has happened too often.

That is what makes this country strong - we are willing to take the tough measures to change when change is needed. And let's face it, the BLM has got our attention and there needs to be some change.

The protest was as about a continuous array of news stories of black men being killed by police.

That may be a silly protest to you but it is serious to others.

The anthem represented a country that hadn’t made progress in addressing that.

People twisted that into being anti American military troops.

Oh no, not the flag!!! Someone please stop them from disrespecting the glorious flag!!!!

Jeez, what a bunch of snowflakes. Go eat your hot dogs and watch your fireworks, sorry you're upset by the news...

Star wrote:

The protest was as about a continuous array of news stories of black men being killed by police.

That may be a silly protest to you but it is serious to others.

The anthem represented a country that hadn’t made progress in addressing that.

People twisted that into being anti American military troops.

Wow, I know I am talking to mostly uninformed people, but I just wish they would know more facts before spouting off on a message board.

A. Stats show black men are less likely to be murdered by police than white men. But I am sure you know that.

B. It is silly cause there are soo many more important issues imo to tackle than the 2 unarmed black people who were shot by cops unjustly this year out of the 40 million black people that are in this country. If you think 2 murders in a country with millions of other crimes in the black community alone is outrageous, then whatever. Good luck finding better than that crap.

C. Police murder of black people have decreased DRAMATICALLY in the last 15 years. Don't you freaking know that???? Or you are just another mindless drone.

D. Ain't no twist, people see the flag how they want to see it. I see it as the symbol of the greatest country ever.

If you spoiled a$$ Americans of any race don't like that, then please find a better place to go to now. Guess what, you won't freaking hell. Freaking an African country just NOW said they welcome all black Americans by the way. BUT noone will go, of course not!

Was this about the flag?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Olympics_Black_Power_salute

I'm trying to think of what changes we can make. Decriminalization of drugs, reducing sentences, etc? I mean those are just off the cuff ideas but im not sure how we rewrite 200+ yrs of law.

Its a lot to untangle and there is no magic pill.

Secondarily, my mind goes to places like Chicago where there is a pattern of homicide and black on black crime. I'm sure it could be contorted in some way that its because of laws constructed to opress that population. I kinda have to draw another line there, mentally. Like at what point does it pass from the laws being incorrect, to a legitimate endimic issue within that population?

Those laws that "oppress the population" is being governed and created by a majority minority run democratic government there.

All of these protests are democrats protesting democratic run cities with vastly minority police forces, and ironically, they will keep voting democrat. Makes total sense!

Oh, you gonna take your ball and go home little baby?

Wow, I know I am talking to mostly uninformed people, but I just wish they would know more facts before spouting off on a message board.

A. Stats show black men are less likely to be murdered by police than white men. But I am sure you know that.

B. It is silly cause there are soo many more important issues imo to tackle than the 2 unarmed black people who were shot by cops unjustly this year out of the 40 million black people that are in this country. If you think 2 murders in a country with millions of other crimes in the black community alone is outrageous, then whatever. Good luck finding better than that crap.

C. Police murder of black people have decreased DRAMATICALLY in the last 15 years. Don't you freaking know that???? Or you are just another mindless drone.

D. Ain't no twist, people see the flag how they want to see it. I see it as the symbol of the greatest country ever.

If you spoiled a$$ Americans of any race don't like that, then please find a better place to go to now. Guess what, you won't freaking hell. Freaking an African country just NOW said they welcome all black Americans by the way. BUT noone will go, of course not![/quote]

What in the heck could possibly make you think the United States is currently the greatest country in the world?

* Millions of American who were sacrificed. I'm sure a lot of them would gladly take back their sacrifice if they good. Surely they are not basking in the Elysian Fields remembering fondly that their life was offered up for the chance to murder a few hundred thousand Vietnamese and Iraqi civilians :)

0hiaaaa wrote:

there are millions of americans (surprise: some were african american) who sacrificed it all who are being honored.

research it, it's easy enough.

First, there's two issues being interwoven. Racial equality and police brutality of blacks.

For police brutality a lot is being implemented like more transparency of investigation of allegations towards those being charged, allowing bad officer's records to be publically accessible, reviewing retroactively many cases that were brushed over in the past, harsher penalties towards officers found guilty of such offenses including dismissal, barring of choke holds, more training, - jesus i could go on all day, look it up.

As for the more general issue, a lot can be done to start changing how a large segment of our people are being dispossessed and handicapped to what others have come to take for granted. I'm quite sure you can see how our systems of education and virtually everything come into play.