Drew hunter, justyn knight, Grant Fisher

It's interesting that Gressier from France already has a bigger result than any of these:

European record and 2nd best ever road 5k in the world: 13:18

How France? wrote:

It's interesting that Gressier from France already has a bigger result than any of these:

European record and 2nd best ever road 5k in the world: 13:18

I would not say that Gressier is better than these 3...the 5k road WR was reset like last year, so barely anyone has thrown down a time yet, and we know that the roads are not much slower than tracks these days.

I would certainly say Knight running 13:09 with 2 top 10 finishes at the world championships is superior to one 13:18 road 5k.

I would put Gressier on par with Fisher and ahead of Hunter.

How France? wrote:

It's interesting that Gressier from France already has a bigger result than any of these:

European record and 2nd best ever road 5k in the world: 13:18

That is not superior to Knight’s finishes in a track global championship.

Amory wrote:

How France? wrote:

It's interesting that Gressier from France already has a bigger result than any of these:

European record and 2nd best ever road 5k in the world: 13:18

I would not say that Gressier is better than these 3...the 5k road WR was reset like last year, so barely anyone has thrown down a time yet, and we know that the roads are not much slower than tracks these days.

I would certainly say Knight running 13:09 with 2 top 10 finishes at the world championships is superior to one 13:18 road 5k.

I would put Gressier on par with Fisher and ahead of Hunter.

Meh, not me. I'd much rather have a major continental record and the 2nd fastest time ever in the world. Maybe a final in the Olympics would be even with this.

The 5k was reset because there were some questionable measurements for some 5ks no?

It's not like many are going to go faster on a road 5k. No way. What was he top 10 before the reset even with questionable measurements? True, Gebremeskel, and Gebrihwet could never go under 13:22 in Boston after multiple tries.

According to Solinsky you're only as good as your second best result. Kincaid is like 27 he's not in the same group as these other guys.

You actually think with current shoe technology that 13:18 will stay as the second fastest road 5k for a long time? The fact that he was 30 seconds behind Cheptegei should tell you something. Hell, Jakob tempoed a 13:29.

I would much prefer a top 10 at two World champs over a ER over a rarely run distance/surface, yes.

The road 5k is a joke and he lost by nearly 30 seconds. That’s not even close to two top 10 finishes at the world champs.

Well, this is about the future of the American and Canadian 5k, not France.

That being said, Justyn Knight is the real deal. Sub 4 as a senior in high school and he started running as a sophomore! Can’t wait for him to drop some more bomb times. I think he’s almost there to breaking through to the next level

you forget? wrote:

Correct. Don't get why you would ignore the faster Mcgorty?

Also you mention Mo Ahmed. As fast as he is he is not as fast as Kincaid.

I don't think so--Mo got a WC bronze last fall---sure Kincaid had a great time trial last summer, but hasn't shown results in big races yet...

Amory wrote:

How France? wrote:

Meh, not me. I'd much rather have a major continental record and the 2nd fastest time ever in the world. Maybe a final in the Olympics would be even with this.

The 5k was reset because there were some questionable measurements for some 5ks no?

It's not like many are going to go faster on a road 5k. No way. What was he top 10 before the reset even with questionable measurements? True, Gebremeskel, and Gebrihwet could never go under 13:22 in Boston after multiple tries.

You actually think with current shoe technology that 13:18 will stay as the second fastest road 5k for a long time? The fact that he was 30 seconds behind Cheptegei should tell you something. Hell, Jakob tempoed a 13:29.

I would much prefer a top 10 at two World champs over a ER over a rarely run distance/surface, yes.

Lol. Ok, yeah. I believe that's 27 seconds behind Cheptegei and not 30. So basically you're a liar.

Cheptegei & Jakob are not even in the discussion here.

Yes, pretty sure that will stay 2nd for at least another year.

Right, a rarely run distance that only has 10 major events per week. Ok.

I'm taking a road 5k Euro continental record/2nd best in world vs that anytime. Would be more proud for sure. Also more lucrative. Can't see sponsors stumbling over each other to give you a 200k contract to finish 9th in the WCs.

Let me know when he does something in a race that matters.

You're right, it is 27 seconds, not 30. Thanks for the pedantry.

You're delusional if you think pros are frequently racing road 5ks. Currently there are no road races so yeah, he probably will keep it for at least a year. Keep in mind Gressier is tied for 11th all time in the road 5k with Rhonex Kipruto who split 13:18 during a 10k...so that tells you how weaksauce his performance was.

I'd be surprised if Gressier got $200k just from running a road 5k ER. I'm sure Knight's contract is well north of $100k.

I've always though of Fisher as a slightly worse Hunter, but last night the really proved that he is going to be in contention for OG/WC teams and super fast times (assuming he stays relatively healthy). Given this time as a first year pro/23 year old, I'm expecting him to break 13 in the next few years.

I'm a pretty big fan of Hunter, and assuming he stays healthy, I'm expecting him to throw down some great times next season, if not later this season. His 3:57 a few weeks ago coming off an injury has me hoping he's learned from his first real injury and that he'll be healthy in the future. If he runs something like 13:11 next year like Fisher just did, I'll expect him to go sub 13 too.

Right. So Gressier is 27 seconds off the road WR, while Knight is 32 seconds off the track WR. Which is better?

That also means that Rhonex Kipruto ran just nine seconds off Knights track PR (where Knight was pulled the whole time by better professionals).... in one half of a 10k! Goes to show you how weak sauce Knights PR is.

I am willing to bet far more people know about Gressier and that he has a better contract.

Knight being 32 seconds off the track WR is infinitely better than Gressier being 27 seconds off the road WR, yes. Since the track WR is superior to the road WR by far.

Knight's weak sauce PR is nearly 10 seconds faster than Gressier, so I don't see your point.

I'd posit very comparable contracts, with Knight being more well known around the world. Gressier may be more well known in Europe only.

Also, Gressier owns a 27:43 10km PR. That would be the North American record.

He is on a different level. I'm sorry.

As far as road 5ks, here is your list of big pro 5ks (and this is only the biggest ones):

Monaco

Carlsbad

Lille

Ipswich

Boston

Armagh

Wheeling

NYC

Praha

Frankfort

St Augustine

San Jose

Beni Mehall

Toronto

Napoli

So, not so rare. More than DLs.

The North American record is 26:44, by Galen Rupp. A minute faster. Knight also is not a 10k runner. His 1500 PR is about 1.8 seconds faster than Gressier.

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove. I think you're probably a very new fan, who thinks because community 5ks are large events, then they must be very competitive. This simply is not the case.

All the 5k talent runs on the track, and not the roads. Road 5ks are one of events. FACT.

I like Gressier, he’s pretty funny and a cool guy. But knight has the better 1500 and 5k pr.

under a bridge wrote:

Let me know when he does something in a race that matters.

I said a race that matters. Not a road 10km.