Worst of the COVID crisis is behind all developed nations except the USA

The response from this country is an embarrassment.

We could have squashed it before the Fall.

This society couldn't pull together like in WW2.

Happy July 4th...

Piano_Man87 wrote:

Bank of Canada holding rates steady. New cases are down significantly. Same is true for other 1st world countries.

But the USA.. well... How is that politicization of science working out for you guys?

I'm not sure there is any science behind your claim that the worst of the COVID crisis is behind other developed countries. Who is making that bold prediction with any kind of scientific basis?

My guess, which is as good as anyone's, is that Covid is entrenched worldwide for good, and new infections, hospitalizations, and deaths will rise and fall and rise and fall in most regions indefinitely.

You should re-visit your claim in a few months.

snerdly hep hep ack ack wrote:

Piano_Man87 wrote:

Bank of Canada holding rates steady. New cases are down significantly. Same is true for other 1st world countries.

But the USA.. well... How is that politicization of science working out for you guys?

I'm not sure there is any science behind your claim that the worst of the COVID crisis is behind other developed countries. Who is making that bold prediction with any kind of scientific basis?

Hey man don't take it so personally. Just go to worldometer and look at the graphs for yourself. Most other nations are getting this under control and reopening. Canada has gone from 1500 cases per day to 200-300 per day. Having a single payer health care system means governments can coordinate resources for pandemic response more effectively, so that may have something to do with it.

Piano_Man87 wrote:

snerdly hep hep ack ack wrote:

I'm not sure there is any science behind your claim that the worst of the COVID crisis is behind other developed countries. Who is making that bold prediction with any kind of scientific basis?

Hey man don't take it so personally. Just go to worldometer and look at the graphs for yourself. Most other nations are getting this under control and reopening. Canada has gone from 1500 cases per day to 200-300 per day. Having a single payer health care system means governments can coordinate resources for pandemic response more effectively, so that may have something to do with it.

Don't take questioning your claim so personally. I was wondering who, other than you, is making such a bold claim that the worst of Covid is behind developed nations. Like I said, you should re-visit this in 3 months and see where things stand. My guess is that Covid is not going anywhere.

snerdly hep hep ack ack wrote:

Piano_Man87 wrote:

Bank of Canada holding rates steady. New cases are down significantly. Same is true for other 1st world countries.

But the USA.. well... How is that politicization of science working out for you guys?

I'm not sure there is any science behind your claim that the worst of the COVID crisis is behind other developed countries. Who is making that bold prediction with any kind of scientific basis?

My guess, which is as good as anyone's, is that Covid is entrenched worldwide for good, and new infections, hospitalizations, and deaths will rise and fall and rise and fall in most regions indefinitely.

You should re-visit your claim in a few months.

I agree.

My take on this is that the initial hit may be behind us, but now its going to be a grind for the next 18 months. Steady new cases all the time, then a cycle of shutting down and reopening until we have a vaccine. That's how this ends.

I'm not sure people realized when doctors talk about flattening the curve, they mean we need to flatten it over the course of 18 months, not 18 days. Its wishful thinking to expect this is just going to disappear.

hank jr wrote:

snerdly hep hep ack ack wrote:

[quote]Piano_Man87 wrote:

Bank of Canada holding rates steady. New cases are down significantly. Same is true for other 1st world countries.

But the USA.. well... How is that politicization of science working out for you guys?

I'm not sure there is any science behind your claim that the worst of the COVID crisis is behind other developed countries. Who is making that bold prediction with any kind of scientific basis?

My guess, which is as good as anyone's, is that Covid is entrenched worldwide for good, and new infections, hospitalizations, and deaths will rise and fall and rise and fall in most regions indefinitely.

You should re-visit your claim in a few months.

I agree.

My take on this is that the initial hit may be behind us, but now its going to be a grind for the next 18 months. Steady new cases all the time, then a cycle of shutting down and reopening until we have a vaccine. That's how this ends.

That's the Plan.

New and total cases always surging.

Somehow deaths rapidly declining

snerdly hep hep ack ack wrote:

Piano_Man87 wrote:

Bank of Canada holding rates steady. New cases are down significantly. Same is true for other 1st world countries.

But the USA.. well... How is that politicization of science working out for you guys?

I'm not sure there is any science behind your claim that the worst of the COVID crisis is behind other developed countries. Who is making that bold prediction with any kind of scientific basis?

My guess, which is as good as anyone's, is that Covid is entrenched worldwide for good, and new infections, hospitalizations, and deaths will rise and fall and rise and fall in most regions indefinitely.

You should re-visit your claim in a few months.

It may be entrenched worldwide, but countries such as S Korea have demonstrated they have the capability to quickly identify, isolate and contain new outbreaks. It's one thing to have flare-ups of a few hundred in a small geographical area, but when a country has 40,000+ new cases a day it's out of control. Pretty much every other developed country seems to have avoided that scenario.

Yeah, it’s too bad that all the protesting, rioting, looting, business destroying, vandalizing, statue removing, CHAZing/CHOPing, etc etc, happened when it did...our numbers looked a lot before everyone started congregating in large, tightly packed groups once again.

At least hopefully this time, we won’t intentionally send our obviously sick patients to recover in the midst of our most vulnerable, fragile health populations again.

Piano_Man87 wrote:

Bank of Canada holding rates steady. New cases are down significantly. Same is true for other 1st world countries.

But the USA.. well... How is that politicization of science working out for you guys?

The US is filled with ignorant doofus's who insist mandatory mask wearing is against their constitutional right (yet having to stop at a stop sign is OK law)

Petulant crybaby whiners.

Why can't the US be like Sweden???

Because we're actually way to self absorbed to actually exercise our civic DUTY (as important as our rights!) and actually do something for the sake of our fellow citizens.

We're just a bunch of bufoons insting on personal "rights" over any inconvenience.

That's why.

uhhhhh.... wrote:

Yeah, it’s too bad that all the protesting, rioting, looting, business destroying, vandalizing, statue removing, CHAZing/CHOPing, etc etc, happened when it did...our numbers looked a lot before everyone started congregating in large, tightly packed groups once again.

At least hopefully this time, we won’t intentionally send our obviously sick patients to recover in the midst of our most vulnerable, fragile health populations again.

Check the data. Cases are not surging in Seattle, NYC, Boston, Minneapolis or Denver. It's happening in places where other types of social gathering has been greater, as well as rural areas and red states which had late closures and early openers this spring.

Death rates are "somehow" down because this new phase is hitting younger people (bar goers etc.).

double check that wrote:

uhhhhh.... wrote:

Yeah, it’s too bad that all the protesting, rioting, looting, business destroying, vandalizing, statue removing, CHAZing/CHOPing, etc etc, happened when it did...our numbers looked a lot before everyone started congregating in large, tightly packed groups once again.

At least hopefully this time, we won’t intentionally send our obviously sick patients to recover in the midst of our most vulnerable, fragile health populations again.

Check the data. Cases are not surging in Seattle, NYC, Boston, Minneapolis or Denver. It's happening in places where other types of social gathering has been greater, as well as rural areas and red states which had late closures and early openers this spring.

That's why when I got to bars in red states, I always make sure I'm protesting something. Ward off the virus.

Let's look at the G7:

https://i.imgur.com/hYi4cz6.png

https://i.imgur.com/PpudxFg.png

https://i.imgur.com/pi4fsWt.png

https://i.imgur.com/CSZde67.png

https://i.imgur.com/CR2uYby.png

https://i.imgur.com/7NWisVQ.png

https://i.imgur.com/kCWuo5J.png

WTF USA.

Not sure all the pictures loaded. The links still work.

Sorry, this is an American website.

Also, check out this case density map:

https://www.greaterfool.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/COVID-US.png

I'm in my mid-50s, and fit, and I honestly think I'm going to be among the oldest people in this country within the next 12-18 months. We will not have a vaccine for almost a year, we might have a therapeutic in a few months, and SARS-COV2 doesn't care.

The new Swine Flu is out there, too, this fall and winter will be one to remember a LONG time, if anyone is left to do that.

You know how "they" didn't tell us about masks until, well, about today? You ever think of what else they know, that they aren't saying?

All that map shows is that Johns Hopkins has more granular location data for the US (by county) than Canada (by province).

Canada has actually failed miserably with COVID given it's relatively low population density. Canada has a higher death rate per capita than 31 US states. Canada's population density is 9.78 people per square mile. Three US states have lower population densities:

Alaska at 1.10, Wyoming at 5.92 and Montana at 7.27. Here's how their death rate per million stacks up against Canada:

Alaska 19 Deaths per Million (8% of Canada)

Wyoming 35 Deaths per Million (15% of Canada)

Montana 21 Deaths per Million (9% of Canada)

Canada 228 Deaths per Million

New Mexico has Canada beat at 235 deaths per million, but their population density is almost double yours at 17.24. After that, the next state to beat you is Colorado at 291 deaths per million, but their population density (55.3) is almost 6 times yours. In fact, if you combine the 31 states that are doing better than Canada, you get 194 million people (5 times Canada's population) with an average death rate of 132 deaths per million. It's also ironic that on the day you post this, on a per capita basis Canada had more confirmed deaths yesterday than the US. Now you don't know what to say.

Ironically the Canadian government has even taken the position that a worker can be forced back to work if they are covid positive, so long as they are asymptomatic because they have been paying out too much money in CERB payouts.

You must have misunderstood my reply to your post as questioning or doubting current statistics and numbers on Covid.

If you re-read what I posted, you'll see I was was questioning your rather bold prediction about how the worst of Covid is behind developed countries. I took that to mean that developed countries (other than the US) will never approach infection rates, etc. like they have seen previously. Your thread title implies that you know something about what will happen over the ext 3-6 months (if not next several years) with respect to Covid. So, I was wondering what support you had for that. And now I've had to basically re-post my entire post, because of your reading comprehension issues (whether deliberate or not).

The labour laws in Canada are administered provincially, so the "Canadian government" has zero bearing on COVID policies as they relate to labour. It is the provincial governments. The Chief Medical Officer of my province has issued public health orders not allowing Covid positive people to do anything but quarantine. We have fines in place for bad actors - businesses and individuals.

The USA has 25% of the world's cases, and 4% of the world's population. Case rate accelerating.

Canada: 1% of world's cases, 0.5% of world's population. Declining cases for WEEKS.

In the province I live in, we are testing about 1000 people per day, and about 5-10 come back positive. That is 0.5 to 1% tests coming back positive.

The USA just in the past few weeks hit the milestone of 5% of tests coming back positive. Then you guys opened everything back up. Way too early.

The EU won't let Americans in, but they will let Canadians in.

The whole world is utterly astonished at how the USA is navigating this. Your health care system is on the brink of collapse, case rates are going to the roof, and you can't even get your president to wear a mask to save lives. It is like watching a train wreck in slow motion.