Robert Brandt ROASTS Tinman and Drew Hunter gets feelings hurt

John Macardle wrote:

And non-running fans know Tinman. Which is better?

Depends who you ask. Brandt doesnt give a f*** about clout. that's the whole point.

TME can't always hide behind "advancing the sport". At a certain point it just becomes about trying to be popular. There's a reason Bowerman has the respect of the masses and Nick Symmonds looks like a complete and utter tool. People can tell when you're trying too hard. Comes off as a need for attention. TME is riding the line. I hope they correct their trajectory of caring more about followers and gear drops than about actual f*in running. Parsons alluded to that in the video that they just uploaded. I think they know they've been underperforming. Which probably prompted Drew's emotional response to Rob's beef. Insecurity is a bad look for a group of professional athletes.

It only comes off as needy to tools who don’t understand that professionals need to promote their brand. As has been pointed out, there is noble about hiding away and training.

*nothing noble about

brand recognition wrote:

John Macardle wrote:

And non-running fans know Tinman. Which is better?

Depends who you ask. Brandt doesnt give a f*** about clout. that's the whole point.

That's a great attitude. He also must not care about being a professional, getting sponsorship nor earning a living from the sport. He just runs to make himself happy and we all are supposed to commend that.

Perhaps he has rich parents paying for his life and has no interest in trying to make it by himself.

That's hard.

Sport is entertainment. If you don't agree then why do you spend your free time, or even your work time, reading about it and watching it?

Better than what? You were waiting for the day and it arrived. You were wrong so you change the question.

Seems like you just didn’t understand the question.

John Macardle wrote:

It only comes off as needy to tools who don’t understand that professionals need to promote their brand. As has been pointed out, there is noble about hiding away and training.

There are ways to get clout without coming off as needy. Step 1: get way better at running than they currently are. Then we can reassess. Imagine if Jeremy Lin started doing all the Taco Tuesday horseshit that Lebron was on for a while. People would annihilate him. Lebron can do that sh*t cause he's Lebron. Look at kawhi. SO lowkey and he's a beast. RESPECT!!! TME has the right idea but the wrong order of action. Step 1: get fast. Step 2: test the limits of your "brand" and see what you can get. Not the other way around. As it is there are like two Tinmen who have the right to be posting as much crap as they do.

Also, damn right there's nobility in quietly grinding away. Just cause you don't have 10k followers doesnt mean you're not a noble, hardworking distance runner. you sound silly. Don't forget that the basis of distance running is your relationship for yourself. How many Nike ads have you seen about what you do in the dark putting you in the light? Theres an undeniable nobility to quietly getting better. And the opposite for people who are loudly NOT getting better and running 13:50.

Great NBA analogy. Now compare LeBron and Kawhi's endorsements and shoe deals. That's what I thought.

Yeah I'm sure Kawhi really wishes he were LeBron.

Working on getting faster while working on promoting your brand isn’t mutually exclusive - they can be done simultaneously. Your argument is fallacious.

There’s no nobility in hiding away and training silently.

John Macardle wrote:

Working on getting faster while working on promoting your brand isn’t mutually exclusive - they can be done simultaneously. Your argument is fallacious.

There’s no nobility in hiding away and training silently.

I agree. I think Tinman has a good model. I only wish the people running for Tinman weren't so insufferable.

All the best stories are when relative unknowns have a breakthrough. Look at people like Noah Droddy, Matt Elliott and Kiera D'Amato. Those stories were huge.

If one of the Tinman guys finally achieves something noteworthy nobody is going to care because that person has been bragging for 4 years about how good he is.

Far more people can relate to the first group.

name check wrote:

[quote]brand recognition wrote:

All the best stories are when relative unknowns have a breakthrough. Look at people like Noah Droddy, Matt Elliott and Kiera D'Amato. Those stories were huge.

If one of the Tinman guys finally achieves something noteworthy nobody is going to care because that person has been bragging for 4 years about how good he is.

Far more people can relate to the first group.

Then why is it none of the first group has the notoriety of TME?

I don't perceive TME as bragging, why do you? I've never heard them say "we are the best, we will beat the best, we will set world records". They are out there grinding just like everyone else at their elite level but they show us their day to day training, their videos have a nice feel to them, and they are getting their sponsors name out there because they are pro athletes aka ENTERTAINERS.

When you claim "Those stories were huge", for who do you mean exactly? The mostly incel LRC community? TME is trying reach beyond that, not everyone is going to like all their personalities but that's how it goes with professional athletes in all types of different sports.

It's truly amazing to me how many of my fellow runners don't understand the concept of pro runners being paid to entertain and represent a brand, not hide from public exposure until there's a photo of them breaking the tape or an AR.

I would say it's more like they are showing off rather than bragging. Not a big difference, but it's even worse in my opinion.

It's like a guy showing off slam dunks on an 8 foot tall basketball hoop. Not even hard or impressive, far from the best but still parading around like you're the man.

They care more about their image than they care about results.

srsly wrote:

I want to know what Drew thinks Tinman Elite has done for the sport, other than serving as a PR wing for Tom Schwartz' personal coaching business and hucking gear to HS guys who would have been runners anyway had TME never existed. They aren't exactly bringing new runners to the sport ... are they enriching it in some other way? Genuinely curious.

Running is so niche that most people who compete at a high level and publicize it think that they are “doing something for the sport”

not banned wrote:

srsly wrote:

I want to know what Drew thinks Tinman Elite has done for the sport, other than serving as a PR wing for Tom Schwartz' personal coaching business and hucking gear to HS guys who would have been runners anyway had TME never existed. They aren't exactly bringing new runners to the sport ... are they enriching it in some other way? Genuinely curious.

Running is so niche that most people who compete at a high level and publicize it think that they are “doing something for the sport”

Brilliant! I completely agree. If "doing something for the sport" is posting cringy videos that get 25k views, you might as well not do anything.

Alright, i'll just agree to disagree at this point. I respect your opinion and may have shared your feelings at some point in my life but no longer. I don't agree with the analogy either, they're not out there pretending that it's easy, they're doing their prescribed workouts and trying to improve. If that calls for an 8ft net today and a 9ft net two weeks from now then be it, that's still better than 98% of runners out there.

If their "showing off" is what gets a talented kid to think that running may be cool and try to focus on track instead of skateboarding, if that kid goes on to run a 13:00 5K and challenge for medals then don't you think there's something to that showboating? Discounting their confidence because they're not the elite of the elite is pretty short sighted. "clout" is what the younger gens may gravitate more towards so don't forget that, we're not all looking for our monthly paper to see who won the July 4th 8K two towns over for inspo.

I don't know what you do for a living but I'm willing to bet you're not at the top of your field, should your experience in life be completely meaningless then? Do you personally feel like you have nothing to contribute to anyone in their development?

The guys, and they need a female representation, at TME are better runners than most of us here so I'm appreciative of their content because I'm able to project a little bit of myself onto them. If you're not confident enough in yourself to respect what they're doing then don't s**t on them before reflecting on your own insecurities first.

Brilliant! I completely agree. If "doing something for the sport" is posting cringy videos that get 25k views, you might as well not do anything.

Right and you're such an ambassador of the sport that you must wear your running shoes and GPS watch at every party while drinking a water and explaining that you have a 15 miler with the last 30min at LT pace the next morning because you think that will inspire your audience.